People who kill Transgender people to get longer sentences...

I'd imagine it's as a further dissuasion tactic, and because the trans community is at a far higher risk of violence than the remainder of the population.

Trans 'community'? I hate that phrase, well when applied to 'gay community', there aren't seperate communities for either, no segregaytion!

I'd imagine it's as a further dissuasion tactic, and because the trans community is at a far higher risk of violence than the remainder of the population.

In an ideal world, I'd love for the 'category' someone's in to not matter. But the fact remains that we live in a world where trans people are at a far, far higher risk of violent or sexual abuse, which can culminate in death, and that we need to send out the message that this isn't acceptable before we can level the playing field between cis and trans people.

(I'd argue that for all life sentences, this should mean 30 years and not 15 years minimum, to be honest...)

Ah, so currently the minimum term for "life" is 15 years? And by doing this it will be increased to a minimum of 30 years if the victim is a Transexual or Disabled person?

I can see the point if Transsexual people are at more risk of violence I suppose... but again, doesn't one of the problems still boil down to the fact that murder is murder no matter who the victim? Therefore all murderers should be sentenced equally? I.e. minimum sentence of 30 for all murderers.

Not being funny, but are you cis? I'd imagine that you are, considering that if you weren't, you'd understand that I just mean 'people who identify as non-cisgender' and not that there's some sort of separate clique...

In any case, we are very segregated in some ways, because mainstream cisgender society has a lot of problems with non-cisgender people. But that's not strictly the point of the thread.

Yes.



Trans people are at a far higher risk of violence. The problem is also one of perception - the 'trans panic' defence has been successfully employed (I don't know if this has happened in the UK, but it definitely has in the US), the majority of trans people don't feel that violence and threats against them are taken seriously, and even on a less mild note, rates of domestic violence/etc against trans people are much higher. A lot of people feel that because we're jokes in the media for the most part (and really, there's no denying that we are), this would also extend to the murder of trans people. Whether the latter deduction is right or not, the fact remains that a lot of the trans community feel that it's right, and feel threatened - and it would be lovely if this was addressed.

I'm not straight no, but I don't see it as something which makes any difference, I've never met any problems, although I know others have, but there's no straight society/community, or gay or trans why should not identifying as straight seperate you from anyone else, or liken you to anyone else, you're you

I mean no offence here, but no amount of operations can turn someone into a woman or a man. If you're born a guy, you'll always be a guy and if you're born a girl, you'll always be a girl.

I didn't ask if you were straight, I asked if you were cisgendered.

Trans people have vastly different experiences to non-trans people, and often need specialist support - there's the medical/legal side of things, as well as the social side. We face difficulties that LGB cis people don't face with relationships and the like, as well. Unless you're actually a trans person who feels no need to have support from other trans people, I don't think you're qualified to tell trans people that they shouldn't seek support from other people in the same difficult situation, to be honest.



What entertains me is that this is actually what trans people are arguing A transman is born male, and is only altering his body so that he's more comfortable with it; a transwoman is born female, and is altering her body so that she's more comfortable with it. We're not changing our gender - we rather have an endocrine issue that means our bodies haven't developed correctly to suit our genders, and as such, we're taking medical steps to redress that, like anyone else with a medical problem would.

Obviously you're not arguing from such a perspective, but it entertained me all the same.

But how can you be comfortable, say, going from a man to a woman, knowing you'll never be a "proper" woman - never able to give birth, that sort of thing?

I'd imagine transwomen feel just as valid as women as infertile ciswomen do. I don't think your genitalia or your chromosomes or whatever you want to decide on determine your gender - rather, they determine your biological sex, and your gender itself is determined purely by how you feel

I could feel like I was a cat and walk around on all fours purring, hunting birds and eating them raw on the carpet.

If I then went and had surgery that mutilated my body to become a cat, would that be okay? Or should someone have tried to stop me?