&quot;pull her by the ear, beat her by hand or stick&quot;

Original post by Cyanohydrin

Yeah women in Saudi Arabia are so liberated they cannot even drive a car...

What's the got to do with Islam? Women drive in Pakistan don't they.

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Cyanohydrin

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Original post by fitzy.

What's the got to do with Islam? Women drive in Pakistan don't they.

I don't personally believe it has anything to do with Islam, I don't have a problem with Islam.

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Original post by silent ninja

Eh? If it were Islamic to beat your wife, and the Prophet wanted others to follow him to the letter, he'd openly advertise the fact he beats his wives. How else would he promote Islamic behaviour? His public AND private life is well documented down to his personal habits (by his wives, close friends and children).

Also in your OP you say this is a new book (it's last century) which leads me to believe you have no clue and are simply islamaphobic. Your article has no substance.

Mohammed, the most perfect bestestest Muslim who ever lived beat Aisha, his favourite wife. Muslims who aren't victims of extreme cognitive dissonance accept this:

http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/kasem/wife_beating.htm

So if Mo Mo beat his wives, and he is the example you follow, then you probably should too... That, or realise Islam is a false religion made up to solidify the power of a warlord :smile:

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Original post by Cyanohydrin

I don't personally believe it has anything to do with Islam, I don't have a problem with Islam.

In response to a post where someone said ''Islam liberated women'' you mentioned Saudi ...

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silent ninja

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Original post by Elipsis

Mohammed, the most perfect bestestest Muslim who ever lived beat Aisha, his favourite wife. Muslims who aren't victims of extreme cognitive dissonance accept this:

http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/kasem/wife_beating.htm

So if Mo Mo beat his wives, and he is the example you follow, then you probably should too... That, or realise Islam is a false religion made up to solidify the power of a warlord :smile:

Replied to that earlier. No beating was involved. It was a push. Your basis is a translated book with an incorrect translation.

Reply 29

Nightufury

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you got that from the dailymail. nuff said

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Original post by silent ninja

Replied to that earlier. No beating was involved. It was a push. Your basis is a translated book with an incorrect translation.

Original post by Elipsis

Mohammed, the most perfect bestestest Muslim who ever lived beat Aisha, his favourite wife. Muslims who aren't victims of extreme cognitive dissonance accept this:

http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/kasem/wife_beating.htm

So if Mo Mo beat his wives, and he is the example you follow, then you probably should too... That, or realise Islam is a false religion made up to solidify the power of a warlord :smile:

Khadija was his first and favourite, no?

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Original post by silent ninja

Replied to that earlier. No beating was involved. It was a push. Your basis is a translated book with an incorrect translation.

I doubt that, when Muslims who are far more educated in both Islam and Arabic than you are disagree... You are just bending the translation to worm your way out of it. Aisha stated that he caused her pain whether it was a push or a hit, so that must mean it's OK to do it. Are you one of those people who also argues that it is perfectly possible for a child to consent to sex, as long as she has bled out of her vagina of course?

Reply 32

Here are 6 different translations of Quaran verse 4:34, all from recognised and respected scholars in Islam:
[INDENT]Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God has of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great! Rodwell^[1]
[/INDENT]
['Refractoriness' means hard or impossible to manage, stubbornly disobedient'].[INDENT]Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme. Dawood^[2]
Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great. Pickthall^[3]
Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great. Arberry^[4]
Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. Shakir^[5]
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance) for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all). Ali^[6]

Here is the haddith behind the verse:
Razi's commentary, "At-Tafsir al-Kabir," on 4:34
"A women complained to Muhammad that her husband slapped her on the face, (which was still marked by the slap). At first the prophet said to her: "Get even with him", but then added: "Wait until I think about it". Later on, Allah supposedly revealed 4:34 to Muhammad, after which the prophet said: "We wanted one thing but Allah wanted another, and what Allah wanted is best."^[7]

[/INDENT]

(edited 12 years ago)

Reply 33

Original post by fitzy.

Khadija was his first and favourite, no?

I have heard many more people say Aisha was his favourite wife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha). Indeed many more people seemed to be named after her than Khadija. She was more of just a financier for him to get the whole thing off the ground.

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Zeffy

Original post by HARRY PUTAH

Why are you shocked?

Every man/woman with a brain knows women are treated worse than filth in muslim countires. To say they aren't is laughable.

I was been sarcastic

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