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Should there be a limit on how many refugees we let in?

I am curious whether people think there should be a limit, how they come to that figure and how they go about picking x amount of refugees from a larger number of refugees.

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Reply 1

The Roast

Just a reminder, most of these "refugees" aren't even looking for refuge. They're mostly asylum seekers and economic migrants.

Reply 2

bolly_mad

Any limit would prove that the UK is racist.

Reply 3

ABeingOnEarth

Did the UK have limits when Jewish refugees wanted to settle in the UK? No, so its exactly the same for Muslim refugees.

Reply 4

Konahagakure

Yes there should be a limit. The UK is not a large country uno.

Reply 5

ODES_PDES

In my opinion most of these are migrants, and not refugees.

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Reply 6

Grand High Witch

Original post by ABeingOnEarth

Did the UK have limits when Jewish refugees wanted to settle in the UK? No, so its exactly the same for Muslim refugees.

Interesting. So you think upwards of, say, 1 million would be acceptable? What about 2 million? 5 million?

Reply 7

2016_GCSE

Yes, UK is most population by density of any large nation in Europe.

Reply 8

physicsphysics91

Yeah and that limit should be 0.

Reply 9

The Roast

Original post by ABeingOnEarth

Did the UK have limits when Jewish refugees wanted to settle in the UK? No, so its exactly the same for Muslim refugees.

The difference is that those Jews were fleeing real persecution. Most of the middle-eastern and north African men entering the UK are not "refugees" - they're opportunists more than anything else.

Reply 10

username1969391

We shouldn't let any 'refugees' in.

Reply 11

Fullofsurprises

Original post by 2016_GCSE

Yes, UK is most population by density of any large nation in Europe.

The Netherlands has a higher density (as does Belgium) and I would suggest that Holland is also a fairly major country.

The difference is big between the UK and France (more than twice as dense) but we aren't that much more densely populated than Germany (about 15% more dense) and Germany has taken a great many refugees in the recent waves as well as millions more in past decades.

We have a big problem in all the developed countries of Europe - lack of people. Without heavy inward migration, we are all going to have pensioner countries that are completely incapable of continuing economically in about 20 years time.

Therefore, although it's unpopular with racists and their organised political parties like UKIP and parts of the Tory Party, the fact is that our governments have been right to allow large scale migration.

One of the biggest migrant countries into the UK is France.

Reply 12

Fullofsurprises

Original post by NickLCFC

We shouldn't let any 'refugees' in.

You don't think that people fleeing Syria are refugees?

Do you imagine they would have a natural preference to stay amidst the barrel bombs and mass killings if only they were offered another £3 an hour on their wages?

Reply 13

sr90

Volunteer Team

Yes - zero.

I'm all for skilled immigration by people who can contribute (Doctors, Lawyers, Teachers, Engineers etc), but anyone else shouldn't be allowed in. We're full.

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Reply 14

Betelgeuse-

My Nanna used to always say, "Unlimited Economic migrants coming to your country for housing, money, education, healthcare dont cost a thing"

Every country ranked below the UK in GDP should be allowed to bring all of its citizens here via our FREE taxi service of navy boats and commercial aircraft because "they only want a better life!"

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Reply 15

Audrey18

Original post by ABeingOnEarth

Did the UK have limits when Jewish refugees wanted to settle in the UK? No, so its exactly the same for Muslim refugees.

Nobody on the thread mentioned about 'Muslims'. Why did you have to do it?

I'm German. So my posts only concerns what happened in Germany As you know, many Muslim migrant men raped, molested and sexually abused many women in my country since New Year's Day.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ks-list-crimes
http://www.news.com.au/finance/econo...d65045e65e141d
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-sex-assaults/

You only have to see what the German police commissioner said on national TV to understand the true extent of the migrant crisis. Mind you, the higher command in Germany gave him a piece of their mind following the telecast of this interview. Watch it to believe it.

[video="youtube;SOi8QJD8fiw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOi8QJD8fiw[/video]

Political correctness was what got many, many good, wonderful members on this forum banned for merely questioning the policy decisions linked to immigration/migration such as the one made by my Chancellor to allow all these migrants into my country

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without checking if they are holding genuine passports

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without checking if they have links to terrorist groups

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without checking if they have criminal records in their home countries

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without checking if they have HIV/AIDS

Someone recently asked me why should people wanting to enter into another country, be checked for HIV/AIDS? This is because the government owes a duty to its citizens to protect them from people who may want to infect others with their communicable diseases. This is an extension of a 'social contract theory'. Read up on it if you have time. Educate yourself.

You may have read or heard, many of these migrants have turned my country upside down. I hope all of you reading my post, bears this in mind. A country's sovereignty, security and safety of its citizens is so so important. With Merkel's blunder, we have become a carbon copy of UK & the rest of EU and their set of problems.

Merkel has been in hiding for many months now. She's pushing 62 years of age. She won't throw in the towel just yet. If UK decides to remain in the EU, I am certain they will make EU into a united states of Europe and she would be the major contender for the post of PM of the USE. Tony Blair has quietened down way too much to be able to stake a claim for that coveted position.

Merkel studied physics and then chemistry. She has no knowledge and understanding about politics, law, finance and sociology. She tells the German public one thing and tells the EU another thing and then tells the world another thing. Sometime back she said that refugees must now return back to their countries of origin after the wars back home have ended.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKCN0V80IH

With Turkey's inclusion into the EU imminent, there will be 77 million Turks who will get to make their debut appearance in any of the EU member states. They will not go to France because France has zero tolerance towards Muslims. They will continue to come to Germany or go to the UK where the borders are invincible and where the border agents have zero powers to turn people away.

Fun times ahead.

But in the UK sense, I'm not so sure. Labour was in charge for 13 years. They allowed millions of sri lankans, pakistanis, bangladeshis, Indians and others to come to the UK

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without checking if they are holding genuine passports

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without checking if they have real skills or genuine qualifications

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without checking if they have links to terrorist groups

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without checking if they have criminal records in their home countries

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without checking if they have HIV/AIDS

Yes, you can disagree with your government but the problem is the ministers haven't got a clue about the issue at hand in the first place. You can disagree with the government but each time you do that it would be like taking two steps forward and then two steps back. It's not that your government doesn't want to listen to you. The truth is they're clueless. Look at them Ministers. They don't know what hardship is, they've never worked in real jobs like stacking shelves or being a rubbish collector etc. So they just make policy decisions and you the citizens will simply have to suck it up and live with it.

Original post by MrsSheldonCooper

Look up the Rotherham case and look up some documentary about how ISIS supporters here are living off benefits and yet they want Islam to be the UK's main religion. So yes,my belief is people like that should be kicked out.http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jun/25/eastern-european-immigration-crime-britain

I just read up about Rotherham and wow this is shocking. How did the police not do anything when so many thousand girls were being treated worse than animals? But I still find it offensive that you would insinuate that there are only Muslim sex gangs thriving in UK.

The sexual predators are of varying nationalities, ethnicity and religion. It is not solely confined to Muslims alone. Yes the bad people in Rotherham sexual grooming of thousands of girls have been named and shamed and are now in jail but you can't just limit sexual grooming gangs to Muslims alone. That's an unfair observation.

Stop blaming Muslims for everything that goes wrong. There will be good and bad people in every religion, race and nationality.

The British government is very welcoming of people from across the world even if they're not genuine economic migrants or asylum seekers. David Cameron feels that it is ok for these people to come to UK and live off benefits from Day 1. He is fine with them not wanting to seek work, living in huge council houses, having multiple children, milking the NHS etc while the obedient British taxpayer foots the bill.

So it's not for either of you to say that David Cameron is wrong. Please respect the Prime Minister and stop blaming the Muslims.

Reply 16

pelaitsc45

Yes, there should always be a limit. Stupid question. If we allowed unlimited migrants the country would suffer hugely economically. The sooner we leave the EU, get UKIP into power and get our own immigration laws the better. Everyone's seen what's happened to Germany and Sweden, it's not our duty.

Reply 17

Grand High Witch

Original post by Fullofsurprises

Therefore, although it's unpopular with racists and their organised political parties like UKIP and parts of the Tory Party, the fact is that our governments have been right to allow large scale migration.