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I want to return to education but how?

Hi,

I left school in 2007 with the Mittlere Reife (German equivalent to GCSE's) with straight A's. I couldn't continue school as I had to start working full-time to pay for my living. Long story. Well, anyway I worked in London for the last three years but I always wanted to study law at university. Last year I started an access course for law and I really enjoyed it but left after Term 2 as my work circumstances changed. Maybe I should mention that I do not want to become a lawyer and I only wanted to do a law degree for all the wrong reasons. I want to work in Finance. I would like to go to university in either 2012 or 2013 but preferably in 2012.

What would you advice me? To do an access course or to do A Levels? I would prefer doing my A Levels just because I am not a 100% sure if I want to stay in the UK and with A Levels I could study in Germany or elsewhere. I would like to do it by distance learning and I was just wondering if someone could tell me something about ICS. Did anyone study there? What would be a good subjects choice for economics/finance or similiar.?

I am aware that I will enter university as a mature student and I am just wondering how many A Levels would I need? I read about a girl who get in with one A Level?

(edited 13 years ago)
Reply 1
Lucy1990
Hi,

I left school in 2007 with the Mittlere Reife (German equivalent to GCSE's) with straight A's. I couldn't continue school as I had to start working full-time to pay for my living. Long story. Well, anyway I worked in London for the last three years but I always wanted to study law at university. Last year I started an access course for law and I really enjoyed it but left after Term 2 as my work circumstances changed. Maybe I should mention that I do not want to become a lawyer and I only wanted to do a law degree for all the wrong reasons. I want to work in Finance. I would like to go to university in either 2012 or 2013 but preferably in 2012.

What would you advice me? To do an access course or to do A Levels? I would prefer doing my A Levels just because I am not a 100% sure if I want to stay in the UK and with A Levels I could study in Germany or elsewhere. I would like to do it by distance learning and I was just wondering if someone could tell me something about ICS. Did anyone study there? What would be a good subjects choice for economics/finance or similiar.?

I am aware that I will enter university as a mature student and I am just wondering how many A Levels would I need? I read about a girl who get in with one A Level?



Hi
First of all you need to decide which course you want to take (why not business or economics if you don't want to be a lawyer? - law is very competitive and hard to get into) and then you need to contact the admissions depts for each course, explain your situation and then ask them what they would accept from you as mature student qualifications, i.e if they would prefer access or A levels, how many, what grades etc. Nobody on here can really answer that as every uni and every course is different!

Yes it's true that as a mature student they will probably be more flexible with you than the typical 18 yr old but for extremely competitive courses like law they aren't likely to just say "oh great you have the Mittlere Reife, you don't need anything else/one A level!" I am certain that the story of the girl getting into uni with one A level did not involve a law degree!!! But it is possible for some less academic courses, my ex got into sport science on a foundation year with only GCSEs and no Alevels at all.

Yes, if you want to possibly study in Germany then you will need A levels rather than an Access course - and I would imagine 2 A-levels wouldn't get you past the ZVS into a BWL course (I could be wrong but I would imagine BWL/Jura are just as competitive in Germany) you might even need 3 to try that. I'm studying in Austria but I have an undergrad degree as well as relevant A levels so it wasn't a problem for me (plus there is no numerus clausus in Austria, just entrance exams, also hardly any fees in Austria at the moment, just 16 euros a semester if you study in Mindeststudienzeit or 300 euros a semester if you go over that - might be worth considering instead of Germany :wink: )

Basically you need to contact the universities you're interested in first and then you can decide whether Access or A-levels are the best option for you. Hope this helps a bit

Viel Glueck und liebe Gruesse aus Wien :biggrin:
Clair
Reply 2
clair0511
Hi
First of all you need to decide which course you want to take (why not business or economics if you don't want to be a lawyer? - law is very competitive and hard to get into) and then you need to contact the admissions depts for each course, explain your situation and then ask them what they would accept from you as mature student qualifications, i.e if they would prefer access or A levels, how many, what grades etc. Nobody on here can really answer that as every uni and every course is different!

Yes it's true that as a mature student they will probably be more flexible with you than the typical 18 yr old but for extremely competitive courses like law they aren't likely to just say "oh great you have the Mittlere Reife, you don't need anything else/one A level!" I am certain that the story of the girl getting into uni with one A level did not involve a law degree!!! But it is possible for some less academic courses, my ex got into sport science on a foundation year with only GCSEs and no Alevels at all.

Yes, if you want to possibly study in Germany then you will need A levels rather than an Access course - and I would imagine 2 A-levels wouldn't get you past the ZVS into a BWL course (I could be wrong but I would imagine BWL/Jura are just as competitive in Germany) you might even need 3 to try that. I'm studying in Austria but I have an undergrad degree as well as relevant A levels so it wasn't a problem for me (plus there is no numerus clausus in Austria, just entrance exams, also hardly any fees in Austria at the moment, just 16 euros a semester if you study in Mindeststudienzeit or 300 euros a semester if you go over that - might be worth considering instead of Germany :wink: )

Basically you need to contact the universities you're interested in first and then you can decide whether Access or A-levels are the best option for you. Hope this helps a bit

Viel Glueck und liebe Gruesse aus Wien :biggrin:
Clair


Clair
Thanks so much for your reply. I was very undeciced about my course choice and I am still not a 100% sure but I am getting there :smile: Would like to do Business or Economics with the option to do the MBA or a Master in Finance&Banking later on in life. I especially like the idea of studying in Maastricht or Amsterdam.

I did not expect to be able to get into university with only the Mittlere Reife and one A Level and yes, the girl who got into university with only one A Level studies Psychology.

The access course ist not recognised as an entry qualification at universities outside the UK and I could not start the course until September 2011. Being already 20 I do not want to waste another year just doing nothing. Many universities accept 3 A Levels as a qualification (I am not sure about German universities but I will contact the admission offices during the week).

Studying in Austria is an excellent idea. My friend studies Jura in Vienna and loves it. Can you recommend an university? Where do you study?

Lucy
Reply 3
Lucy1990
Clair
Thanks so much for your reply. I was very undeciced about my course choice and I am still not a 100% sure but I am getting there :smile: Would like to do Business or Economics with the option to do the MBA or a Master in Finance&Banking later on in life. The access course ist not recognised as an entry qualification at universities outside the UK and I could not start the course until September 2011. Being already 20 I do not want to waste another year just doing nothing. Many universities accept 3 A Levels as a qualification (I am not sure about German universities but I will contact the admission offices during the week).

Studying in Austria is an excellent idea. My friend studies Jura in Vienna and loves it. Can you recommend an university? Where do you study?

Lucy


Hi
I'm studying Veterinary Medicine and we have our own separate uni so I can't really help with studying BWL in Vienna. You would need to look at the Wirtschaftsuni (http://www.wu.ac.at/prospective/) but I obviously have no personal experience there. As Austria is obsessed with "freie Universitätszugang" you only actually need A-Levels/Abitur/Matura at any grade to be accepted! (In Austria only really over-subscribed courses like medicine, veterinary medicine, public relations etc have any sort of entry requirements). So you could definitely keep Austria as a back-up plan as, at the moment at least, they take everybody! You will have to sit on the floor in lectures though and probably have to wait a few semesters to get a place in tutorials etc - it's not ideal! For law you would need to apply to Uni Wien (Haupt Uni, nicht WU)

If you want to do an MBA then you could actually just work in the finance industry for a few years and then do one directly without a bachelor first.....but you have to have definite (ie. high power business!) work and life experience for that path. Oh and bear in mind that if you don't want to stay in the UK, a bachelor degree will not be enough to get you graduate jobs in Austria at least (and Germany too I would imagine). The bachelor is too new and still very unacceptable here......it's a Magister or nothing!

Hope this helps - yes I would go for the A levels as they are much more transportable and better respected abroad than the access course
Reply 4
clair0511
Hi
I'm studying Veterinary Medicine and we have our own separate uni so I can't really help with studying BWL in Vienna. You would need to look at the Wirtschaftsuni (http://www.wu.ac.at/prospective/) but I obviously have no personal experience there. As Austria is obsessed with "freie Universitätszugang" you only actually need A-Levels/Abitur/Matura at any grade to be accepted! (In Austria only really over-subscribed courses like medicine, veterinary medicine, public relations etc have any sort of entry requirements). So you could definitely keep Austria as a back-up plan as, at the moment at least, they take everybody! You will have to sit on the floor in lectures though and probably have to wait a few semesters to get a place in tutorials etc - it's not ideal! For law you would need to apply to Uni Wien (Haupt Uni, nicht WU)

If you want to do an MBA then you could actually just work in the finance industry for a few years and then do one directly without a bachelor first.....but you have to have definite (ie. high power business!) work and life experience for that path. Oh and bear in mind that if you don't want to stay in the UK, a bachelor degree will not be enough to get you graduate jobs in Austria at least (and Germany too I would imagine). The bachelor is too new and still very unacceptable here......it's a Magister or nothing!

Hope this helps - yes I would go for the A levels as they are much more transportable and better respected abroad than the access course


Thanks for all the information. By the time I will go to university I will be nearly 22 or 23. Is that too old in Austria? How old are the students on average?

Also is the Magister a master?!


Nadine
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Reply 5
Lucy1990
Thanks for all the information. By the time I will go to university I will be nearly 22 or 23. Is that too old in Austria? How old are the students on average?

Also is the Magister a master?!


Nadine


Wow you must have been away from Germany for a long time :wink:
23 is not old at all for Austrian students! (ditto German ones in my experience). It is not uncommon to spend 10 years or more at uni here so there are plenty of 30 year olds around! 25 is probably about average :biggrin: On the other hand 23 would definitely be older than most of the students in the UK.

Is a Magister a master? According to Austrians or Germans yes......however I have a Masters degree from the UK and the only reason that I can see why Europeans think their degrees are "masters" and not bachelor degrees is the length of time they study (i.e. my Magister should take 6 years in total). But the main difference in Anglo-saxon Masters and European Magister is that you don't (necessarily) specialise in anything when you get to Magister level, whereas a masters in the UK is one year specialising in something that you originally covered as part of your bachelor....but maybe this will get better as the European countries get more used to the Anglo-Saxon system.....
I'm going to throw in Open University - you can do this either in UK or in Europe. You don't need any qualifications to start as you can start with an Openings Course or a level 1 and slowly build up that way.
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Reply 7
inksplodge
I'm going to throw in Open University - you can do this either in UK or in Europe. You don't need any qualifications to start as you can start with an Openings Course or a level 1 and slowly build up that way.


Thanks, but the Open University is not an option for me.
Reply 8
clair0511
Wow you must have been away from Germany for a long time :wink:


I moved to England two months after my 17th birthday. Good to hear that. Here they are all finished with university with 21/22 and it makes me feel so old :biggrin:
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