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Original post by Iron Lady
2. Stop trying to derail the thread.
3. It really depends on the type of family we're talking about! Of course their children shouldn't be taken into care if they have been hard working and were made redundant due to misfortune - benefits are there for that reason. Firstly, the parents need to see where they can make cutbacks and if they have any savings. If not, I have no objection to some state help. Redundancy can happen to anyone, as the 2008 recession has proved.


Then say that instead of 'if you are unemployed don't have kids'
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Original post by the mezzil
Then say that instead of 'if you are unemployed don't have kids'


If people decide to have children and they know they cannot afford them, they deserve no sympathy and I view them to be unbelievably selfish.
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Original post by Elissabeth
You may know what being unemployed is like, but how do you know what being an unemployed single parent is like?


I don't recall saying I did.
Original post by ilovehobnobs
So is a lot of Benefits. If you have savings over a certain level, you have to contribute to your JSA.

And how is it a grandparents responsibility to pay for their grandchild? But its the PARENTS child. Therefore the PARENTS income is taken into consideration. Do you expect your parents income to be taken into consideration when you have a child if you have to apply for childcare vouchers, for example? Or child benefit? Or if you have to apply for benefits because you can't work, if that happens?

University isn't a necessity- if you cant afford it, guess what, you don't go. People rely on benefits to SURVIVE.


Is this class warfare here? Are you implying poor people shouldn't get a higher education and better jobs?
Original post by Iron Lady
If people decide to have children and they know they cannot afford them, they deserve no sympathy and I view them to be unbelievably selfish.


Fair enough.
Original post by Elissabeth
You have to have over £16K before you are not entitled to JSA.

University is a necessity- we need people to do the jobs that require a degree.

We don't need flaming single parents/ others on benefits.

I wouldn't have a child if I couldn't afford childcare/everything else it needed- but then again Im not a scrounger.

You are 18 when you go to uni- an adult- so why should your parents income be taken into account for that?


Every single parent in the country is entitled to child benefit. Whether you live on a council estate or whether your wayne rooney.

And good luck with that- the average parent spends £100pw on childcare per child. Lets hope you don't need specialised care as you are looking upwards of 3/400 a week if you have a child with difficulties and need support.

Most students are still living in their parental home- if your not, your an independant so why would you take your parents income into consideration when applying for your student loan?!

Say you have a child- and they are born disabled. You can't see into the future. My parents couldn't with me, and you won't be able to with yours unless they develop some super technology. You/your partner would probably have to give up work- and are you telling me you wouldn't claim the benefits to give your child a decent standard of living? Im not talking about spending it on candy on video games- im talking about wheelchairs, adaptions for the home, carers (you might need them).

On affording university: If you parents on say a combined income of 90k a year, they are in a better position to provide you with an allowence than someone on 30k. If your parents aren't in a situation to provide you with an allowence, surely you should be applying for other student support such as a maintenance grant?
Original post by the mezzil
Is this class warfare here? Are you implying poor people shouldn't get a higher education and better jobs?


Not at all. Read my above post. Parents on a higher income should be in a position to provide their children with an allowence alongside a student loan rather than people on a lower income.

My parents are on a combined income of 80k a year, they will provide me with a 2k allowence alongside the 1k student loan I will get a tearm. If she is kicking off about the such little money she gets, then surely she be looking to her parents, applying for a maintenance grant- or accepting the fact that she can't afford to go if neither apply.
Original post by Tommyjw
This is quite frankly one of the most disgusting things i have ever read.

My mother is single, thus you assume she is stupid? My mother is a very, very intelligent person who has managed to land a job that would equate to ~47k a year. (I say this as she fosters and has a disability so doesn't work full hours). She had incredibly high grades while she was younger and her 'test' for her job landed her in the top 10- people who ever took it at that (very large) company.

Why would a single mother be automatically be deemed stupid?

I'm sure my dad didnt just go 'oh, she's stupid, bye bye'. ¬_¬

If anything i respect the intelligence, decisions and views of single mothers more than others.


If she is so intelligent, surely she wouldn't have gotten knocked up without a stable relationship.
Original post by like a boss
If she is so intelligent, surely she wouldn't have gotten knocked up without a stable relationship.


My mother was a single parent for a while with my brother. Why? Because a drunk driver killed his father.

Maybe you need to watch what you say.
Original post by summer_blazed
Boo-hoo. She must know how to use it well enough to go through the laborious online process of applying for benefits.


You don't apply for benefits online?
I am a single parent, and I work 35 hours a week. The only benefit I do get is child benefit, which goes straight into a savings account for my daughter, I see it as money for her so I don't touch it.

I was very ill after childbirth, to the extent it nearly cost me my life. So, if I can work- why can't others who's only problem they suffered during childbirth was most likely from the nicotine withdrawals?

When I couldn't work (for nearly 11 months) I didn't claim a single penny in income support, housing benefit, or the rest! I stayed with my parents, and they gave us what we needed, nothing else- and I was fine was that. If my parents weren't willing to give it, why should someone who works there backside off for 40 hours a week who might have his own family to support??

If I didn't work I would be entitled to nearly £15,000 a year. How on earth is that justified when I work a 40 hour week for just £3k a year more!!
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Original post by like a boss
If she is so intelligent, surely she wouldn't have gotten knocked up without a stable relationship.


I was going to be offended, but then i realized how embarrassingly pathetic and unintelligent someone has to be to make such a remark, so now i just pity you.
Original post by NYprincessmaddie
I am a single parent, and I work 35 hours a week. The only benefit I do get is child benefit, which goes straight into a savings account for my daughter, I see it as money for her so I don't touch it.

I was very ill after childbirth, to the extent it nearly cost me my life. So, if I can work- why can't others who's only problem they suffered during childbirth was most likely from the nicotine withdrawals?

When I couldn't work (for nearly 11 months) I didn't claim a single penny in income support, housing benefit, or the rest! I stayed with my parents, and they gave us what we needed, nothing else- and I was fine was that. If my parents weren't willing to give it, why should someone who works there backside off for 40 hours a week who might have his own family to support??

If I didn't work I would be entitled to nearly £15,000 a year. How on earth is that justified when I work a 40 hour week for just £3k a year more!!


What about the people who dont still live with their parents? How do you pay for childcare? You entitled to child tax credit or childcare vouchers, why don't you claim them??
Reply 593
The argument against benefits is flawed. It'll stay flawed until other people (or aliens) can no longer say "what right do these people have paying for Sky when that money could be used to save lives and end pain"?

If someone offers money for your circumstances or a deal, such as "we'll pay you if you look for jobs, not that we'll check, mind" then it should be taken.
Original post by ilovehobnobs
What about the people who dont still live with their parents? How do you pay for childcare? You entitled to child tax credit or childcare vouchers, why don't you claim them??


What about them?? Why can't they go out to work like I do?? I lived with my parents while I couldn't work, and now that I can I live independently and pay my rent myself. My parents and friends look after my daughter while i'm working, I don't see the point in putting my daughter in a nursery where she will share the attention of a nursery nurse with six other children when my parents and friends are perfectly capable and willing to look after my daughter just as well if not better.
Original post by NYprincessmaddie
What about them?? Why can't they go out to work like I do?? I lived with my parents while I couldn't work, and now that I can I live independently and pay my rent myself. My parents and friends look after my daughter while i'm working, I don't see the point in putting my daughter in a nursery where she will share the attention of a nursery nurse with six other children when my parents and friends are perfectly capable and willing to look after my daughter just as well if not better.


I guess your one of the lucky ones, huh?? I have been trying to find a job for nearly 12 months, on work experience programme (not actually on a placement yet) VOLUNTARILY. I am trying to get a job, im not a benefits scrounger at all. If I was offered a job, i would grasp it with both hands.
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Single mothers who have to raise children under the age of 10. (Usually the mothers are stupid, but the child shouldn't suffer).

They are stupid why? Because they are single? Or because they are single mothers? Relationships break down for many reasons and I am fairly sure that stupidity isn't one of them. Attitudes like yours are massively general and just as damaging to society as these 'stupid' single mothers you talk of.
Original post by ilovehobnobs
I guess your one of the lucky ones, huh?? I have been trying to find a job for nearly 12 months, on work experience programme (not actually on a placement yet) VOLUNTARILY. I am trying to get a job, im not a benefits scrounger at all. If I was offered a job, i would grasp it with both hands.


Maybe so. I spent my time looking and applying for jobs and eventually I got one. It wasn't my first choice, but I have to do it to provide for my daughter and myself. In the end, the only people who fail are those who do not try. So keep trying and i'm sure something will come along :smile:
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Original post by NYprincessmaddie
I am a single parent, and I work 35 hours a week. The only benefit I do get is child benefit, which goes straight into a savings account for my daughter, I see it as money for her so I don't touch it.

I was very ill after childbirth, to the extent it nearly cost me my life. So, if I can work- why can't others who's only problem they suffered during childbirth was most likely from the nicotine withdrawals?

When I couldn't work (for nearly 11 months) I didn't claim a single penny in income support, housing benefit, or the rest! I stayed with my parents, and they gave us what we needed, nothing else- and I was fine was that. If my parents weren't willing to give it, why should someone who works there backside off for 40 hours a week who might have his own family to support??

If I didn't work I would be entitled to nearly £15,000 a year. How on earth is that justified when I work a 40 hour week for just £3k a year more!!


:smile: You set a really good example.
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Original post by Elissabeth


Many of us were bought up in homes where there were constant arguments- never done us any harm.


I'd have to beg to differ, your lack of empathy or understanding speaks volumes...

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