Breivik complains about lack of butter in jail
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They should just give him a brick of butter with no bread 
Original post by SnoochToTheBooch
his arse hole must be a bit raw.
LOL first thing I thought too tbh. Does that make us gay though?
Original post by liamb109
Personally, I can't believe he's not hanging from the end of a rope.
But then, we are more civilised than the yanks and understand the death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent and that revenge based justice is stupid.
But then, we are more civilised than the yanks and understand the death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent and that revenge based justice is stupid.
Incredibly stupid response. And here's why!
1. You're Scottish, apparently. Not Norwegian. So drop the 'we' - the last executions in the UK were still most likely within your parent's lifetimes, hardly very long ago.
2. It may not always work as a deterrent but at least you know that in the US if someone brutally murders someone for their own satisfaction, they won't ever see the light of day again. For good reason. Here, they'll walk out of prison after less than twenty years and probably just do it again.
3. 'More civilised than the yanks' - No. You're really not. One of the definitions of being civilised is to be polite and well-mannered which we are most certainly not known for. Both countries have their faults and advantages, neither is more civilised than the other. That statement makes even less sense when you consider that the UK has adapted so many Americanisms.
Please, use your brain next time instead of trying to take a random, irrelevant cheap shot.
EDIT - This is pretty amusing. Well, you could try and explain why you disagree or click the 'neg' button and run away crying. Tough choice, there.
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by Scumbaggio
As bad as what he did was you can't subject anyone to cruel or unusual punishment regardless of their crime.
They don't have the death penalty over there so he can't be executed.
They don't have the death penalty over there so he can't be executed.
Legally you "can't", but that's where the system fails and needs changing. It's not like he was forced to kill people so he has no right to complain about his punishment no matter what it is.
Original post by Sephiroth
Legally you "can't", but that's where the system fails and needs changing. It's not like he was forced to kill people so he has no right to complain about his punishment no matter what it is.
He has the right to complain, it doesn't mean they're going to do anything for him.
He would have the right to complain about his punishment if it were cruel or unusual.
Original post by El_Sid
Incredibly stupid response. And here's why!
2. It may not always work as a deterrent but at least you know that in the US if someone brutally murders someone for their own satisfaction, they won't ever see the light of day again. For good reason. Here, they'll walk out of prison after less than twenty years and probably just do it again.
Please, use your brain next time instead of trying to take a random, irrelevant cheap shot.
2. It may not always work as a deterrent but at least you know that in the US if someone brutally murders someone for their own satisfaction, they won't ever see the light of day again. For good reason. Here, they'll walk out of prison after less than twenty years and probably just do it again.
Please, use your brain next time instead of trying to take a random, irrelevant cheap shot.
Way to get your point across by telling someone they're a stupid, brainless idiot
have you been in politics long?In the case of Breivik he won't be walking out of prison in less than 20 years. as far as the Norwegian legal system is concerned his sentence can be infinitely extended - keeping him imprisoned til he's no longer a threat to society.
Also the death sentence in America isn't handed down to every murderer, and indeed plenty of killers serve their time and get out
Not going to bother sullying my point by calling you infantile names
Original post by Artymess
Way to get your point across by telling someone they're a stupid, brainless idiot have you been in politics long?
In the case of Breivik he won't be walking out of prison in less than 20 years. as far as the Norwegian legal system is concerned his sentence can be infinitely extended - keeping him imprisoned til he's no longer a threat to society.
Also the death sentence in America isn't handed down to every murderer, and indeed plenty of killers serve their time and get out
Not going to bother sullying my point by calling you infantile names
have you been in politics long?In the case of Breivik he won't be walking out of prison in less than 20 years. as far as the Norwegian legal system is concerned his sentence can be infinitely extended - keeping him imprisoned til he's no longer a threat to society.
Also the death sentence in America isn't handed down to every murderer, and indeed plenty of killers serve their time and get out
Not going to bother sullying my point by calling you infantile names
I didn't say that at all, actually. I said the post was stupid (it was) because they obviously didn't think it through (which they didn't, hence 'use your brain', not 'you don't have a brain' like you're claiming) and then clearly explained why. I never said anything along the lines of 'you are an idiot.' Re-read my post.
Indeed he won't, or probably ever get out, but I was referring to the UK justice system - not the Norwegian one. Again, re-read the first paragraph - it explains the second one. My main problem was the pointless bashing of America. And I never said that did happen. The vast majority of murderers escape the death sentence. I said that they wouldn't ever see the light of day again in that they almost never get out of prison, which is very true for the vast majority of cases (99 years without parole doesn't tend to equal with them ever getting out.)
Am going to bother pointing out once again that I never called him infantile names and that maybe you should re-read the actual post.
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Original post by Scumbaggio
He has the right to complain, it doesn't mean they're going to do anything for him.
He would have the right to complain about his punishment if it were cruel or unusual.
He would have the right to complain about his punishment if it were cruel or unusual.
Again, flawed system. He should not have any right to complain. If you take a life you should lose all rights and either be killed or thrown in the worst jail conditions imaginable (without crossing the line into torture).
Original post by El_Sid
Incredibly stupid response. And here's why!
1. You're Scottish, apparently. Not Norwegian. So drop the 'we' - the last executions in the UK were still most likely within your parent's lifetimes, hardly very long ago.
2. It may not always work as a deterrent but at least you know that in the US if someone brutally murders someone for their own satisfaction, they won't ever see the light of day again. For good reason. Here, they'll walk out of prison after less than twenty years and probably just do it again.
3. 'More civilised than the yanks' - No. You're really not. One of the definitions of being civilised is to be polite and well-mannered which we are most certainly not known for. Both countries have their faults and advantages, neither is more civilised than the other. That statement makes even less sense when you consider that the UK has adapted so many Americanisms.
Please, use your brain next time instead of trying to take a random, irrelevant cheap shot.
1. You're Scottish, apparently. Not Norwegian. So drop the 'we' - the last executions in the UK were still most likely within your parent's lifetimes, hardly very long ago.
2. It may not always work as a deterrent but at least you know that in the US if someone brutally murders someone for their own satisfaction, they won't ever see the light of day again. For good reason. Here, they'll walk out of prison after less than twenty years and probably just do it again.
3. 'More civilised than the yanks' - No. You're really not. One of the definitions of being civilised is to be polite and well-mannered which we are most certainly not known for. Both countries have their faults and advantages, neither is more civilised than the other. That statement makes even less sense when you consider that the UK has adapted so many Americanisms.
Please, use your brain next time instead of trying to take a random, irrelevant cheap shot.
1. I was talking about us Europeans, all of whom have dropped the death penalty.
2. Most of them sit on death row without getting executed costing even more of the taxpayer's money for their appeals process. And Breivik is never getting out.
3. Civilised, in terms of at state level, is defined as "Bring (a place or people) to a stage of social, cultural, and moral development considered to be more advanced: "a civilized society".". We are more morally advanced than those across the pond, simply because we do not hang onto the old biblical maxim of "An eye for an eye". And civil rights have advanced further here, with women receiving equal pay for equal work, LGBT organisations making further strides than they do across the pond. That and we regard healthcare as a right and not a product to be bought and sold at the expense of the poor.
Original post by Soft Cat
1) If they gave him hot coffee he could scald himself i.e. self-harm.
2) too much butter would clog his arteries leading to an MI or CVA
3) He could ingest the moisturiser to poison himself.
4) Too hot he could dehydrate himself and or burn himself i.e. self-harm. At least he has blankets and clothes to keep him warm. If they turned up the heat he wouldn't have a fan to cool himself down.
5) He could use decorations or ornament or glass from windows to self-harm. Also too many decorations and a view could over-stimulate and excite him. He's supposed to be in jail to be punished for his crimes not encourage his artistic/creative side.
6) Without having visited every detention facility in Norway he can't really say that for sure can he?
7) It doesn't take too long to shave or brush. Any longer and again he might attempt to self-harm e.g cut himself or swallow the brush or stick it up his nose towards his brain etc.
And ultimately ffs he is in jail for the horrendous crimes he committed, what the hell is he expecting? Five-star treatment? Gourmet cuisine?
Frankly what he's being given already is what I would regard as too much or a "luxury" for a prison-term. Then again it is 99.99999999% likely he will remain behind bars for the rest of his life so he best get used to it.
BTW points 1 to 7 were interspersed with sarcasm although some of the minor points may hold some truth e.g. self-harm etc.
2) too much butter would clog his arteries leading to an MI or CVA
3) He could ingest the moisturiser to poison himself.
4) Too hot he could dehydrate himself and or burn himself i.e. self-harm. At least he has blankets and clothes to keep him warm. If they turned up the heat he wouldn't have a fan to cool himself down.
5) He could use decorations or ornament or glass from windows to self-harm. Also too many decorations and a view could over-stimulate and excite him. He's supposed to be in jail to be punished for his crimes not encourage his artistic/creative side.
6) Without having visited every detention facility in Norway he can't really say that for sure can he?
7) It doesn't take too long to shave or brush. Any longer and again he might attempt to self-harm e.g cut himself or swallow the brush or stick it up his nose towards his brain etc.
And ultimately ffs he is in jail for the horrendous crimes he committed, what the hell is he expecting? Five-star treatment? Gourmet cuisine?
Frankly what he's being given already is what I would regard as too much or a "luxury" for a prison-term. Then again it is 99.99999999% likely he will remain behind bars for the rest of his life so he best get used to it.
BTW points 1 to 7 were interspersed with sarcasm although some of the minor points may hold some truth e.g. self-harm etc.
Honestly, I love your analysis
Original post by liamb109
1. I was talking about us Europeans, all of whom have dropped the death penalty.
2. Most of them sit on death row without getting executed costing even more of the taxpayer's money for their appeals process. And Breivik is never getting out.
3. Civilised, in terms of at state level, is defined as "Bring (a place or people) to a stage of social, cultural, and moral development considered to be more advanced: "a civilized society".". We are more morally advanced than those across the pond, simply because we do not hang onto the old biblical maxim of "An eye for an eye". And civil rights have advanced further here, with women receiving equal pay for equal work, LGBT organisations making further strides than they do across the pond. That and we regard healthcare as a right and not a product to be bought and sold at the expense of the poor.
2. Most of them sit on death row without getting executed costing even more of the taxpayer's money for their appeals process. And Breivik is never getting out.
3. Civilised, in terms of at state level, is defined as "Bring (a place or people) to a stage of social, cultural, and moral development considered to be more advanced: "a civilized society".". We are more morally advanced than those across the pond, simply because we do not hang onto the old biblical maxim of "An eye for an eye". And civil rights have advanced further here, with women receiving equal pay for equal work, LGBT organisations making further strides than they do across the pond. That and we regard healthcare as a right and not a product to be bought and sold at the expense of the poor.
1. Eh? That's completely incorrect. There are still countries in Europe which have not dropped the death sentence, I'm not sure where you're getting your information from? Again, each country is still completely different - you can't pat yourself on the back and act smug for the actions of a something that had nothing to do with the UK/Scotland.
2. Let's hope not, but in that case I was referring to the UK since your post seemed to lump them together. And it doesn't matter whether or not they're executed, the main point is they don't get another chance to kill innocent people.
3. That's a specific aspect of it, you used the term very loosely. The main reason the US is held back is because of a minority of very loud idiots, which every country has. Also, regarding LGBT, there are places in the US where two people of the same sex can legally *marry* whereas there are none in the UK... Just sayin'. Also, that whole 'women receiving equal pay' thing? Certainly not the case a lot of the time. Finally, the health care issue is completely ridiculous, I agree with you on that. However, they are trying to change it.
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Original post by El_Sid
1. Eh? That's completely incorrect. There are still countries in Europe which have not dropped the death sentence, I'm not sure where you're getting your information from? Again, each country is still completely different - you can't pat yourself on the back and act smug for the actions of a something that had nothing to do with the UK/Scotland.
2. Let's hope not, but in that case I was referring to the UK since your post seemed to lump them together. And it doesn't matter whether or not they're executed, the main point is they don't get another chance to kill innocent people.
3. That's a specific aspect of it, you used the term very loosely. The main reason the US is held back is because of a minority of very loud idiots, which every country has. Also, regarding LGBT, there are places in the US where two people of the same sex can legally *marry* whereas there are none in the UK... Just sayin'. Also, that whole 'women receiving equal pay' thing? Certainly not the case a lot of the time. Finally, the health care issue is completely ridiculous, I agree with you on that. However, they are trying to change it.
2. Let's hope not, but in that case I was referring to the UK since your post seemed to lump them together. And it doesn't matter whether or not they're executed, the main point is they don't get another chance to kill innocent people.
3. That's a specific aspect of it, you used the term very loosely. The main reason the US is held back is because of a minority of very loud idiots, which every country has. Also, regarding LGBT, there are places in the US where two people of the same sex can legally *marry* whereas there are none in the UK... Just sayin'. Also, that whole 'women receiving equal pay' thing? Certainly not the case a lot of the time. Finally, the health care issue is completely ridiculous, I agree with you on that. However, they are trying to change it.
1. Belarus. That is the only one, and it is not a member of the EU, it fits more in the Russian sphere of influence rather than the Western European one.
2. Name one case where a person was in for "life" got out early and murdered or raped again.
3. Women always receive equal pay for equal work in this country. The reason for the pay gap is their tendency to take less dangerous jobs with lower pay, on average and that men work more hours on average anyway. Which is all their choice. I can't speak for anywhere else in Europe though. Also, they have failed to really change it in the US, instead prices will go up for the average person and everyone is forced to buy insurance, that's not the same thing. But Republicans would never have allowed "socialised medicine" a term I had never heard of before, since it's known as universal healthcare. I assume they called it that as to pander to the public with the negative connotations of "socialised".
Original post by liamb109
2. Name one case where a person was in for "life" got out early and murdered or raped again.
"socialised".
2. Name one case where a person was in for "life" got out early and murdered or raped again.
"socialised".
Doesn't matter. If someone murders, then at the very LEAST. They should spend the rest of their life in solitary confinement. I can't think of any reason regardless of other circumstances to let someone who has taken another life out of prison.
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