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Ethereal
It is implicit in the bombardment of lebanon, the constant threat of "accidental" death, the massing of troops on the border and the dropping of leaflets warning people if they leave their homes they risk being killed.

All of the above provoke terror as a specific objective, with the aim of undermining support for Hezbollah.
The aim of undermining support is a separate matter. Israel is undeniably making a lot of people terrified, but this is as an unfortunate by-product of their actions, not as a primary aim.

The RSA is sick of the word terror being attributed to only one side in this conflict where both are guilty of it.
In this instance, we don't think either side is using the creation of terror as a major tactic. That's why we've tried to use the term "militant" of Hizbullah instead. If we've said "terrorist", we didn't mean to, because it's a misuse of a very specific technical term. But in these days when we are surrounded by people who (ab)use the term simply to refer to anyone they don't like, it's all too easy to slip up and do likewise.
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That is engaged in the illegal oppression of a people

Really, who deemed it illegal or an oppression?
aiman
Really, who deemed it illegal or an oppression?


The UN. The International Comittee of the Red Cross.
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The UN.

Really? I don't think it did so officially.
aiman
Really? I don't think so.


I think yo uwill find the UN has said Israel has broken humanitarian and international law
Agent Smith
To this discussion? None as far as we can see. To South Korea? An awful lot.


Yes, South Korea notices that this thread is over the Isreal-Lebanon Conflict. Our comments, were put to highlight that this conflict is part of a much bigger middle-east conflict where Iran last time we've checked, have not stopped their nuclear program. The simple fact is Hezbollah, is getting arms for Iran and is using it to bomb poor Isreali civilians.
simeon125
Yes, South Korea notices that this thread is over the Isreal-Lebanon Conflict. Our comments, were put to highlight that this conflict is part of a much bigger middle-east conflict where Iran last time we've checked, have not stopped their nuclear program. The simple fact is Hezbollah, is getting arms for Iran and is using it to bomb poor Isreali civilians.


There is only speculation the rockets come from Iran. The RSA still can't see what that has to do with North Korea. We think you mentioned it just for a cheap dig.
Just a note on the side, welcome back South Korea. :smile:

And I am keeping a close eye on this discussion and congratulate everyone for having (on the most part) a very mature (and long!) debate.
Nightowl
Just a note on the side, welcome back South Korea. :smile:


Its good to be back, South Korea has been away bringing closer ties to Spain and will be off to Sweden shortly on diplomatic relations.
Ethereal
There is only speculation the rockets come from Iran. The RSA still can't see what that has to do with North Korea. We think you mentioned it just for a cheap dig.


The point wasn't explained well, but what I think Sourth Korea was getting at was that this crisis is diverting attention away from North Korea and its nuclear program / missile testing, another impending crisis.
Indeed, an offical apology is underway but all our ambassadors are on grammar courses to help them to communicate effectively.The nature of the course...well A-level....but yes we feel its best to comment on our own issues, but when we see our issue which needs international consensus such as this, we must speak our peace.
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The Lebanese Representative has returned from his oppression by the Moderators, it seems that not only are the Israelis hell bent on destroying our country but also that the TSR mods are hell bent on keeping me banned.

Lebanon continues to push for a cease fire, we find it unacceptable that the Israelis want to occupy more of our land and feel that it would be unacceptable to acceopt a UN resolution that did not call for their immediate withdrawal, in favour of Lebanese military personnel.
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Agent Smith
If Hizbullah is disarmed, it too will cease to exist. This is a good thing. The term "Hizbullah" covers militants and militants only. Even without their guns, they will still be alive, just not posing a threat.


Not at all. Hezbollah has a civilian arm which does a helluva lot good for the country.
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6+6=6
The Lebanese Representative has returned from his oppression by the Moderators, it seems that not only are the Israelis hell bent on destroying our country but also that the TSR mods are hell bent on keeping me banned.

Lebanon continues to push for a cease fire, we find it unacceptable that the Israelis want to occupy more of our land and feel that it would be unacceptable to acceopt a UN resolution that did not call for their immediate withdrawal, in favour of Lebanese military personnel.


:rofl:

Australia sympathizes with the Lebanese representative and urges him to update himself with the events in New York and Geneva, for they concern his country more than any other. We also express our support for the deployment of a 15,000 strong Lebanese army contingent to help regain control of the south.
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teehar's comment was honestly hilarious. :wink:

The UK has no further comment at this point of time... we share similar views with our minion the US. :wink:
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... we share similar views with our minion the US

:rofl:
Apollo
Not at all. Hezbollah has a civilian arm which does a helluva lot good for the country.
Well, then, how easy will it be to pick and choose which "bits" of Hizbullah stay and which go? Ideally we would want to retain, and incorporate into government, the non-violent arm - "taming" them, if you will - while disarming the militant wing. But whether this is in practice possible is another matter.
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6+6=6
Lebanon continues to push for a cease fire, we find it unacceptable that the Israelis want to occupy more of our land and feel that it would be unacceptable to acceopt a UN resolution that did not call for their immediate withdrawal, in favour of Lebanese military personnel.

Hungary would like to question how Lebanon proposes to keep its Army under it's control and not Hizbulla's?

Hungary also feels that fear is being used as a tactic by Israel to sway public Lebanese opinion against Hizbulla ("it is Hizbullahs' fault that we are war - they fired rockets into Israel..."). Hungary also feels that, to an extent 'blind firing' has occured from Isreal... may we remind you of the UN post and 4 UN soldiers that were killed not so long ago, despite having had the post in the same place for the past 20 years, it being on every map produced in the past 20 years ago and several phonecalls being made from the UN to Israel to warn them that they were there?

Hizbullah has strong support from the Lebanese people as it provides Hospital and othe essential services, which the Lebanese Government has failed to do. Hungary would also like to know why Hizbullah have been termed terrorists (although it would also like to strongly deplore its current actions) and thinks that targeting it's 'High Powers' would prove more beneficial to reaching a long term compramise?
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LouE3D
Hungary would like to question how Lebanon proposes to keep its Army under it's control and not Hizbulla's?



the Lebanese army has always remained a separate entity to Hezbollah. We believe that Hezbollah will co-operate with this solution and the presence of the Lebanese army will prevent the launching of more rocket attacks.

However we cannot guarantee the safety of Israel as we believe that if not Hezbollah, sooner or later another group will emerge in another country and Israel will once more be force to defend the occupied territories.
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Agent Smith
Well, then, how easy will it be to pick and choose which "bits" of Hizbullah stay and which go? Ideally we would want to retain, and incorporate into government, the non-violent arm - "taming" them, if you will - while disarming the militant wing. But whether this is in practice possible is another matter.


OOC: ultimately, leaving a civilian arm of Hezbollah is rather dangerous. Up until now the people of Lebanon have loved Hezbollah because they have always been there to pick up the pieces, build hospitals and rebuild houses gaining them massive support. believe it or not this war has caused their support to shoot up. technichally leaving a political arm could allow them to come into power legitimately, and if they had the control of the Lebanese army.....

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