is nursing about wiping people's asses?
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people don't get me so wrong
I wasn't demeaning towards nurses, I know that nurses are scientists too
I am asking how the system is constructed
is it nurses that do stuff like ass wiping and urinal catheter replacement or healthcare assistants? or nurse assistants?
ass wiping is not demeaning, it's a job, a dirty one, but someone has to do it
it's just that me I cannot do it, as I have some sort of germophobia
please be serious in your answers
I wasn't demeaning towards nurses, I know that nurses are scientists too
I am asking how the system is constructed
is it nurses that do stuff like ass wiping and urinal catheter replacement or healthcare assistants? or nurse assistants?
ass wiping is not demeaning, it's a job, a dirty one, but someone has to do it
it's just that me I cannot do it, as I have some sort of germophobia
please be serious in your answers
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Original post by studos
people don't get me so wrong
I wasn't demeaning towards nurses, I know that nurses are scientists too
I am asking how the system is constructed
is it nurses that do stuff like ass wiping and urinal catheter replacement or healthcare assistants? or nurse assistants?
ass wiping is not demeaning, it's a job, a dirty one, but someone has to do it
it's just that me I cannot do it, as I have some sort of germophobia
for fack's sake, please be serious in your answers
I wasn't demeaning towards nurses, I know that nurses are scientists too
I am asking how the system is constructed
is it nurses that do stuff like ass wiping and urinal catheter replacement or healthcare assistants? or nurse assistants?
ass wiping is not demeaning, it's a job, a dirty one, but someone has to do it
it's just that me I cannot do it, as I have some sort of germophobia
for fack's sake, please be serious in your answers
Health Care Assistants do washing and wiping and everything else, but they are part of the nursing team and nurses do these things too. If you have a phobia of germs you cannot be a nurse. Can you see yourself injecting medicine through a tube into someone's nose, then undressing them, washing them, putting clothes on them, feeding them breakfast and then making their bed and taking them to the toilet? If the answer is no, you can't be a nurse.
Nurses never make students or Health Care Assistants do jobs they are not willing to do themselves. It's all a team effort to achieve the best care for the patients. Obviously there are loads of things that nurses do that the assistants aren't allowed to, but every nurse should always be willing to do jobs like the ones above and will find themselves doing them several times a day.
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Original post by studos
it's just that me I cannot do it, as I have some sort of germophobia
You really shouldn't even be considering nursing in that case - as you'd be dealing with all types of bodily fluids, diseased flesh, and smells.
If you want to do something caring that doesn't involve 'hands on grime', then perhaps you could be considering something in a healthcare-related field, rather than nursing itself.
Something like speech/physiotherapy, radiology, cardiology, biomedical science or being a paramedic?
It is not possible to train as a nurse without giving personal care such as toileting and cleaning. It is not possible to train as a nurse without placing urinary catheters. No offence OP but this is basic, basic info.
Also, these facts do not mean that "nursing is about wiping people's asses". If you don't want people to be offended, then you could make a better effort to phrase your questions in a respectful tone.
Also, these facts do not mean that "nursing is about wiping people's asses". If you don't want people to be offended, then you could make a better effort to phrase your questions in a respectful tone.
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Original post by studos
people don't get me so wrong
I wasn't demeaning towards nurses, I know that nurses are scientists too
I am asking how the system is constructed
is it nurses that do stuff like ass wiping and urinal catheter replacement or healthcare assistants? or nurse assistants?
ass wiping is not demeaning, it's a job, a dirty one, but someone has to do it
it's just that me I cannot do it, as I have some sort of germophobia
for fack's sake, please be serious in your answers
I wasn't demeaning towards nurses, I know that nurses are scientists too
I am asking how the system is constructed
is it nurses that do stuff like ass wiping and urinal catheter replacement or healthcare assistants? or nurse assistants?
ass wiping is not demeaning, it's a job, a dirty one, but someone has to do it
it's just that me I cannot do it, as I have some sort of germophobia
for fack's sake, please be serious in your answers
How would you feel about cleaning and changing the dressing on an infected wound? Changing a colostomy bag? Getting covered in sick?
Nursing isn't 'about' wiping asses, but it does require it. Go and do some work experience for yourself.
I am worried about this too. I've already done a job ten years ago as a care assistant when I was up to my elbows in poo most if the time. I've always enjoyed the caring part. I just find diaahea difficult. I was hoping that in nursing the higher up you got the less bowel movements you deal with. I'm not sure now. I think I will have to decide whether I can handle fecal matter again. It is the smell tbh. I'm OK with other bodily fluids.
Depends on the job. I did elderly care and since I had so many patients it was the HCA's who did all the personal care, I just gave meds out to the majority. I've done scrub nursing and day surgery too where you do no personal care.
Now I work in NICU so it's with premature babies, not at all about wiping asses. Nursing isn't just about looking after old people.
I really hate science so could never imagine going into medicine!
Now I work in NICU so it's with premature babies, not at all about wiping asses. Nursing isn't just about looking after old people.
I really hate science so could never imagine going into medicine!
Id like to note that nurses are by no means stupid. I'm going down the nursing route in September and I didn't realise quite how hard it was. To do a nursing degree you need to go through maths and english diagnostics tests and then two lots of interviews, not to mention the uni i'm going to I need to achieve BBB in A-Levels including a science A-Level. It's certainly not easy and it should really be a privilege to get onto a nursing degree as there are so many aspiring nurses that keep getting rejected. Did you also know that most nurses now specialise within a certain area and the doctors go to the nurses to get in-depth information as a doctor is a jack of all trades (so knows everything but hardly anything of everything and thats why they are constantly referring you to a specialist)
As for your original question yes nurses are expected to clean up people and deal with unpleasant fluids and waste. The amount you'll have to do it depends on the ward you'd be place in. for example A&E would be less about changing people and more about blood and challenging situations. Even though your job won't fully revolve around personal care it is still an element of the job that people have to be willing to take on and to take it on with no problem to put the patient at ease because it is an embarrassing thing just as much for them. Because of your attitude I'd say that nursing is not the job for you. I'd work that bit harder to get the 3 As in A-Level that you need to study medicine
. (You need an A-Level in Chemistry and Biology though).
As for your original question yes nurses are expected to clean up people and deal with unpleasant fluids and waste. The amount you'll have to do it depends on the ward you'd be place in. for example A&E would be less about changing people and more about blood and challenging situations. Even though your job won't fully revolve around personal care it is still an element of the job that people have to be willing to take on and to take it on with no problem to put the patient at ease because it is an embarrassing thing just as much for them. Because of your attitude I'd say that nursing is not the job for you. I'd work that bit harder to get the 3 As in A-Level that you need to study medicine
. (You need an A-Level in Chemistry and Biology though).I would say to the OP, that if you are at all bothered by bodily fluids then healthcare of any sort isn't for you, whether that is nursing, doctor, physio, whatever. Go do something else.
I've been a qualified physio for two years, and have worked in a big London hospital on a variety of rotations. I have just spent 6 months in elderly care and have the utmost respect for what the nurses have to put up with. However, as a physio, I too was elbow deep in vomit, excrement etc. The fact of the matter is that the nursing staff are so pushed that you often end up doing their jobs, and they sometimes end up doing yours. It is a big team effort. If I go to an elderly patient for some exercise etc, and that patient is covered in poo, urine, whatever, I'm not going to just walk away and let the nurses do the clean up when they get the time. Myself, the OT's, the HCA's and everyone else has a duty of care to that patient, and that means that you get your hands dirty. And as for doctors, well do you not think they get their hands dirty doing rectal exams, colonscopies etc?
The fact of healthcare, certainly in an NHS setting, is that everyone on the team gets stuck in. If you really are a germaphobe as you put it, don't go into any line of work involving caring for people.
As for intelligence, I can assure you that completing a physio degree, and I'm sure nursing and all the other allied healthcare professions is not an easy undertaking. As has been mentioned, the placements as a student are back breaking. I would work a 9-5 and then hold down 20 hours a week working a paid job, and then do essays and revision ontop of this. I am not over-estimating that my average working week was at least 80 hours, stretching upwards of 100 at busy times. If your heart isn't in it, you will fail.
I've been a qualified physio for two years, and have worked in a big London hospital on a variety of rotations. I have just spent 6 months in elderly care and have the utmost respect for what the nurses have to put up with. However, as a physio, I too was elbow deep in vomit, excrement etc. The fact of the matter is that the nursing staff are so pushed that you often end up doing their jobs, and they sometimes end up doing yours. It is a big team effort. If I go to an elderly patient for some exercise etc, and that patient is covered in poo, urine, whatever, I'm not going to just walk away and let the nurses do the clean up when they get the time. Myself, the OT's, the HCA's and everyone else has a duty of care to that patient, and that means that you get your hands dirty. And as for doctors, well do you not think they get their hands dirty doing rectal exams, colonscopies etc?
The fact of healthcare, certainly in an NHS setting, is that everyone on the team gets stuck in. If you really are a germaphobe as you put it, don't go into any line of work involving caring for people.
As for intelligence, I can assure you that completing a physio degree, and I'm sure nursing and all the other allied healthcare professions is not an easy undertaking. As has been mentioned, the placements as a student are back breaking. I would work a 9-5 and then hold down 20 hours a week working a paid job, and then do essays and revision ontop of this. I am not over-estimating that my average working week was at least 80 hours, stretching upwards of 100 at busy times. If your heart isn't in it, you will fail.
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Quite frankly if you think you're above the jobs you've described then you probably shouldn't go into healthcare! It's not purely about what's in the job description of your specific role, it's about quality of life, care, support and dignity for patients!
I'm predicted to get A*A*AA in my alevel and am applying for nursing, I don't think I'm too good for it, it's a brilliant and worthy use of anyone's time and in some ways I think being a nurse takes a lot more as a person than being a doctor purely because it doesn't have that social wow, it's not about huge money or grandeur it's about genuinely wanting to care for people! Lets not forget that's the ultimate wannabee doctor cliche
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I'm predicted to get A*A*AA in my alevel and am applying for nursing, I don't think I'm too good for it, it's a brilliant and worthy use of anyone's time and in some ways I think being a nurse takes a lot more as a person than being a doctor purely because it doesn't have that social wow, it's not about huge money or grandeur it's about genuinely wanting to care for people! Lets not forget that's the ultimate wannabee doctor cliche
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Original post by TheBigJosh
So basically anyone with a sympathetic ear and half a brain cell can nurse, whereas doctors require real intelligence and training.
FTFY
Original post by TheBigJosh
I think you're taking this a little too to heart. This is an opinion that is perfectly valid to have, and it is something that was really believed in school where I lived, so I'm not a lone voice on this matter. I am bored debating this, I have work to do. I respect your opinion, as well as the work that nurses do, I just have my standpoint. I won't be replying after this now.
You say you have respect for us when you clearly don't, by saying we do what we do because we can't be doctors. It's very demeaning.
I take charge of patients in an intensive care unit. I can operate every "life support machine" there is. Not every idiot can do that. It's expected we know how to use ventilators better than junior doctors because WE teach them.
The overall safety of a patient in our care relies on us having a robust knowledge of everything that could go wrong and what to about it. From pooping the bed, to falling on the floor, to cardiac arrest, to a major fire... we have to know what to do, because everyone will look in our direction when these things happen.
To the OP, I think we have all made it abundantly clear that NO - pick another career.
Original post by Daniellesirena
Id like to note that nurses are by no means stupid. I'm going down the nursing route in September and I didn't realise quite how hard it was. To do a nursing degree you need to go through maths and english diagnostics tests and then two lots of interviews, not to mention the uni i'm going to I need to achieve BBB in A-Levels including a science A-Level. It's certainly not easy and it should really be a privilege to get onto a nursing degree as there are so many aspiring nurses that keep getting rejected. Did you also know that most nurses now specialise within a certain area and the doctors go to the nurses to get in-depth information as a doctor is a jack of all trades (so knows everything but hardly anything of everything and thats why they are constantly referring you to a specialist)
As for your original question yes nurses are expected to clean up people and deal with unpleasant fluids and waste. The amount you'll have to do it depends on the ward you'd be place in. for example A&E would be less about changing people and more about blood and challenging situations. Even though your job won't fully revolve around personal care it is still an element of the job that people have to be willing to take on and to take it on with no problem to put the patient at ease because it is an embarrassing thing just as much for them. Because of your attitude I'd say that nursing is not the job for you. I'd work that bit harder to get the 3 As in A-Level that you need to study medicine . (You need an A-Level in Chemistry and Biology though).
As for your original question yes nurses are expected to clean up people and deal with unpleasant fluids and waste. The amount you'll have to do it depends on the ward you'd be place in. for example A&E would be less about changing people and more about blood and challenging situations. Even though your job won't fully revolve around personal care it is still an element of the job that people have to be willing to take on and to take it on with no problem to put the patient at ease because it is an embarrassing thing just as much for them. Because of your attitude I'd say that nursing is not the job for you. I'd work that bit harder to get the 3 As in A-Level that you need to study medicine
. (You need an A-Level in Chemistry and Biology though).Hehe... don't worry, your job revolves around personal care in A&E too! Plenty of bums that need a' wiping there too!
Nurses aren't stupid, yes they do clean up after you but they do even more, a lot of nurses are required to know psychology and human biology, ect ect... Remember that doctors would probably clean up after your blood ect in a theatre room, just like they wash your mouth when giving you an oral clean yes dentists are doctors.
I released when I was in school that teachers often LIED to students about what you need to do to become a nurse, they would tell them that to be a nurse you don't need maths or biology, well working in hospitals I can tell you that's a joke, I would hear students say "I want to be a nurse because I hate maths and biology" I serously felt sorry for them.. Because they have no idea...
A nurse has to have acedemic skills but is not obliged to have acedemic skills like a doctor. She is supposed to know her human biology, working in UCL a lot of doctors seem to be vexed when hearing that some nurse didn't know their biology, or maths. Nurses gives you drugs and needles and do more, some nurses can also tell you what diagnoses you have with the doctors premission, and in most cases a lot of them can explain it in an acedemical way.
I released when I was in school that teachers often LIED to students about what you need to do to become a nurse, they would tell them that to be a nurse you don't need maths or biology, well working in hospitals I can tell you that's a joke, I would hear students say "I want to be a nurse because I hate maths and biology" I serously felt sorry for them.. Because they have no idea...
A nurse has to have acedemic skills but is not obliged to have acedemic skills like a doctor. She is supposed to know her human biology, working in UCL a lot of doctors seem to be vexed when hearing that some nurse didn't know their biology, or maths. Nurses gives you drugs and needles and do more, some nurses can also tell you what diagnoses you have with the doctors premission, and in most cases a lot of them can explain it in an acedemical way.
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