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Original post by Falcatas
They keep going on about imaginary rape culture in universities (caused by silly pop songs and 'lad banter'), but ignore a real 'rape culture' where young girls are groomed by men and passed around without impunity.

The men guilty of these crimes were predominately of Pakistani hertiage. Of course their ethnicity isn't to blame but rather primitive cultural and religion aspects that most Pakistani Brits have shook off. Modern feminists seem to let them of the hook because they are non-white or foreign.


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Original post by RFC1872
Except that this is 21st century Britian, not Pakistan in the Middle Ages. Under no circumstances is it ever acceptable to sexually abuse a child in this country regardless of your 'cultural practices'.


Our culture constantly exploits women and treats them as mere objects of pleasure. Islam is actually very respectful of women and it's important that they are treated like precious jewels, rather than mere objects for men to gawp at. It's worth noting that in countries such as Saudi Arabia, domestic abuse and rape is much rarer than in Western countries.
Original post by ManOnTheLeft
Our culture constantly exploits women and treats them as mere objects of pleasure. Islam is actually very respectful of women and it's important that they are treated like precious jewels, rather than mere objects for men to gawp at. It's worth noting that in countries such as Saudi Arabia, domestic abuse and rape is much rarer than in Western countries.


Meanwhile Pakistan is the world's leader in child abuse, rape porn and child porn. Women are oppressed in Islam.
Original post by 08jogon
Denial?! I want to wait for the facts before I pass judgement, I'm not denying it happened! It clearly happend to some extent because people have been charged with statutory rape


You've got the facts.

There was the CEOP study in 2011/2012, which concluded that Pakistani men were massively overrepresented in the grooming statistics.

http://www.ceop.police.uk/


The recent report by Professor Alexis Jay found that lmost all the predators were men of Pakistani and Kashmiri origin, while the majority of their victims were white.

There have been other reports which have found that there is massive overepreseentation of Pakistani men in the gang paedophile statistics.

These reports have been accepted not only by governmetn agencise right across the board, but also by Rotherham council, the police and the social services. You do not accept these reports, and you seem to deny them any validity at all, without giving any evidence whatsoever to back up your position.

Why?

And I know countless people from Rochdale (where this sort of thing was going on for years) who told me that Pakistani men had a problem with child sex, and that many paedophiles in the town were of Pakistani descent. One woman I knew, her teenage daugther was approched by some of them.

Not all Pakistanis are like this, the vast majority are not. but there is a subculture here where it is seen as OK to haev sex with children.

But still the denial goes on. And more children will suffer as a result.
Original post by ManOnTheLeft
Our culture constantly exploits women and treats them as mere objects of pleasure. Islam is actually very respectful of women and it's important that they are treated like precious jewels, rather than mere objects for men to gawp at. It's worth noting that in countries such as Saudi Arabia, domestic abuse and rape is much rarer than in Western countries.


Yeah. In Saudi the penalty for adultery is a public stoning to death. Flogging if you are lucky.
Original post by RFC1872
Meanwhile Pakistan is the world's leader in child abuse, rape porn and child porn. Women are oppressed in Islam.


That is not Islam, that is just a very small part of Pakistani culture. And how is it so much worse than our culture, where we have lads mags called 'ZOO' where women are degraded and are plastered over it's pages like pieces of meat, or where pornography is totally legal and accepted, or where we have clubs where men can go along and gawp at naked women like they only exist to make their pricks erect?
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Original post by Lazar Wolf
You've got the facts.

There was the CEOP study in 2011/2012, which concluded that Pakistani men were massively overrepresented in the grooming statistics.

http://www.ceop.police.uk/


The recent report by Professor Alexis Jay found that lmost all the predators were men of Pakistani and Kashmiri origin, while the majority of their victims were white.

There have been other reports which have found that there is massive overepreseentation of Pakistani men in the gang paedophile statistics.

These reports have been accepted not only by governmetn agencise right across the board, but also by Rotherham council, the police and the social services. You do not accept these reports, and you seem to deny them any validity at all, without giving any evidence whatsoever to back up your position.

Why?

And I know countless people from Rochdale (where this sort of thing was going on for years) who told me that Pakistani men had a problem with child sex, and that many paedophiles in the town were of Pakistani descent. One woman I knew, her teenage daugther was approched by some of them.

Not all Pakistanis are like this, the vast majority are not. but there is a subculture here where it is seen as OK to haev sex with children.

But still the denial goes on. And more children will suffer as a result.


Grooming statistics. Not all grooming having taken place that year will have been reported. I can't give you facts because I'm arguing that there aren't any!

I. Accept. The. Report. This. Was. An. Estimate. I can't say this any more times.

If someone came to me and said they'd been raped by a Pakistani man, you have to presume innocence until proven guilty, you aren't denying it happened by saying that!
Original post by ManOnTheLeft
That is not Islam, that is just a very small part of Pakistani culture. And how is it so much worse than our culture, where we have lads mags called 'ZOO' where women are degraded and are plastered over it's pages like pieces of meat, or where pornography is totally legal and accepted, or where we have clubs where men can go along and gawp at naked women like they only exist to make their pricks erect?


OMG I've heard it all now. Child abuse and child porn is on a par with lad's mags and lap dancing clubs. I dont like pornography at all, but to put lad's mags and lap dancing clubs on a par with child porn and the sexual abuse of children...My God.

I think I'll bow out of this thread. There are some people posting here that are really screwed up.
Original post by ManOnTheLeft
That is not Islam, that is just a very small part of Pakistani culture. And how is it so much worse than our culture, where we have lads mags called 'ZOO' where women are degraded and are plastered over it's pages like pieces of meat, or where pornography is totally legal and accepted, or where we have clubs where men can go along and gawp at naked women like they only exist to make their pricks erect?


You're comparing a magazine where women are paid (and they willingly do as a career) to show off their bodies, to child porn where children are brutally raped? And because in the Western world our women are free to dress and act how they want instead of walking about oppressed and dressed like a letterbox that they are only there to "make men's pricks erect"? I call it that we live in a free society where people are free to live their lives, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. To have the gall to compare that to the rape of children is utterly vile.
Original post by RFC1872
You're comparing a magazine where women are paid (and they willingly do as a career) to show off their bodies, to child porn where children are brutally raped? And because in the Western world our women are free to dress and act how they want instead of walking about oppressed and dressed like a letterbox that they are only there to "make men's pricks erect"? I call it that we live in a free society where people are free to live their lives, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. To have the gall to compare that to the rape of children is utterly vile.


Women only dress how they do in this society because they feel pressured to by men.
Original post by Falcatas
They keep going on about imaginary rape culture in universities (caused by silly pop songs and 'lad banter'), but ignore a real 'rape culture' where young girls are groomed by men and passed around without impunity.

The men guilty of these crimes were predominately of Pakistani hertiage. Of course their ethnicity isn't to blame but rather primitive cultural and religion aspects that most Pakistani Brits have shook off. Modern feminists seem to let them of the hook because they are non-white or foreign.


+1. A white child has no value in a multicultural society. fact. I'm not even English yet even I as a minority can see this crap.
Original post by ManOnTheLeft
That is not Islam, that is just a very small part of Pakistani culture. And how is it so much worse than our culture, where we have lads mags called 'ZOO' where women are degraded and are plastered over it's pages like pieces of meat, or where pornography is totally legal and accepted, or where we have clubs where men can go along and gawp at naked women like they only exist to make their pricks erect?


You keep saying "our culture" yet your account was created when this story broke. When I combine this with the content of your comments (the usual claptrap Muslims come out with regarding women in the West) why do I get the feeling you don't see Western culture as your culture at all.


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Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
Don't get me started on the thing about Muhammed (PBUH) I can rant about that for hours, he isn't a pedo, do your research.

But onto your other points - a lot of that comes into what I said about education level.


A guy who had sex with a 9 year old isn't a paedophile?

pretty much confirmed that lefties are child rape enablers.
Original post by ManOnTheLeft
Women only dress how they do in this society because they feel pressured to by men.


You're avoiding the first part of his reply. How are lads mags comparable to child rape porn?


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Feminists are too busy campaigning against misogynistic pink colored lego block and computer games without female protagonists to start worrying about actual rape culture.
Original post by Sanctimonious
Firstly, considering the majority of the victims are said to be white British females, I find your viewpoint quite astonishing.

It has already been proven by the report that a substantial amount of those responsible were of Pakistani origin. Are you trying to deny facts here that have been presented in this rather damning and disturbing report?

Lets have a look at extracts taken from different news sources.

The Sky news article says:


There was “denial” that such events could happen in Rotherham and issues of ethnicity were “played down” by senior managers. "Almost all" the perpetrators were described by victims as being of Pakistani origin, but the authorities "wanted to play down ethnic dimensions... for fear of being thought racist."

On the other hand, the BBC article changed from Pakistani to Asian which is quite frankly disgusting but I expect nothing else from them considering their quite obvious left wing bias. If almost all of the perpetrators are, according to the report, described as Pakistani, then why is the term Asian being used?

It is actually insulting to use the term Asian in this instance. Tell me when you last heard of a Malaysian, Chinese or Japanese pedophile ring? I haven't in the UK. It comes across as nothing more than an obvious attempt at using a politically correct term to not cause offence to Pakistanis. Its absolutely absurd.

They actually won't state fact because of political correctness, it appears. Political correctness needs to die.


Why is race being mentioned at all? If it was a gang of white guys the headline wouldn't read "White pedophile gang"


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Original post by Tyrion_Lannister
No one is letting them off the hook? Obviously what happened is disgusting.

However don't you dare try to say Pakistani culture is "rapey". The vast majority of Pakistanis are as against rape as anyone.


The VAST majority of men are against domestic violence and rape. That does deter feminism from trying to 'educate' men not to rape or commit acts of domestic violence.

There is no difference here, if men can be tarred with the same brush and be subject to lectures in colleges and universities by groups such as 'Women's aid' and the 'White ribbon' to help make men aware of how to behave then it makes perfect logical sense you would come to the conclusion that Pakistani men need to educated no to rape young girls.

The reporting and evidence said this culture of abuse in Rotheraham was perpetuated, almost exclusively by men of Asian descent. So why are feminism not tarring all men of Asian descent with the same brush and 'educating' them? It would of course be ridiculous and discriminatory to do such a thing and there would be outrage. It is just the same when you tar all men with the same brush. And to anyone saying feminism does not tar all men with the same brush, the organisations I mentioned come in and overtly say they are wanting to "educate men" on issues of domestic abuse and change 'their' behaviour.
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Original post by ManOnTheLeft
Our culture constantly exploits women and treats them as mere objects of pleasure. Islam is actually very respectful of women and it's important that they are treated like precious jewels, rather than mere objects for men to gawp at. It's worth noting that in countries such as Saudi Arabia, domestic abuse and rape is much rarer than in Western countries.


Only a Guardian reader could make such an oblivious and ignorant statement. Indeed, Islam is "very respectful of women and it's important that they are treated like precious jewels", but this is the case only towards their own kind. Have you ever stopped to think and wonder why the vast majority of the Rotherham abuse victims were white, non-Muslim girls?
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