Nigel Farage's comments about breastfeeding and the totalitarian abuse of language.
Apparently Nigel Farage has said women SHOULD sit in the corner when breastfeeding.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11274857/Nigel-Farage-Breastfeeding-mothers-should-sit-in-the-corner.html
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/05/nigel-farage-ukip-claridges-breastfeeding-mothers
If you actually watch the video of him he never says this merely only establishment should have rules (not saying a rule should be breastfeeders go in the corner).
He suggested perhaps they COULD go in the corner but that would be up to the establishment involved to decide.
Nigel Farage has been slurred by the media for supporting the rights of property owners to have their own rules on their own property.
I am not surprised that the Guardian did this, but even the apparently 'centre-right' Telegraph is resorting to using the dishonest tactics of communists.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11274857/Nigel-Farage-Breastfeeding-mothers-should-sit-in-the-corner.html
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/05/nigel-farage-ukip-claridges-breastfeeding-mothers
If you actually watch the video of him he never says this merely only establishment should have rules (not saying a rule should be breastfeeders go in the corner).
He suggested perhaps they COULD go in the corner but that would be up to the establishment involved to decide.
Nigel Farage has been slurred by the media for supporting the rights of property owners to have their own rules on their own property.
I am not surprised that the Guardian did this, but even the apparently 'centre-right' Telegraph is resorting to using the dishonest tactics of communists.
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Even if he only said what you state and in the context that you state, how do you think that would make any mothers who wanted to breastfeed their children feel?
This is about as natural of an act as you could get and shaming people for doing it absolutely wrong.
If you are embarrassed by the fundamentals of being a human then you are the one who has a problem.
P.S. A lot of people would rather not look at Nigel Farage when they are eating their dinner, maybe he could sit in the corner or something?
This is about as natural of an act as you could get and shaming people for doing it absolutely wrong.
If you are embarrassed by the fundamentals of being a human then you are the one who has a problem.
P.S. A lot of people would rather not look at Nigel Farage when they are eating their dinner, maybe he could sit in the corner or something?
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Take that up with the people who think that.
Are you also suggesting that new mothers are so fragile and insecure they are likely to burst into tears because someone makes a negative judgement about their behaviour?
This kind of paternalism mentality invites more power to the state to dictate what is wrong and what is right.
You are free to boycott and business that you dislike and are free to persuade people to come around to your point of view, but don't criminalise dissent.
Are you also suggesting that new mothers are so fragile and insecure they are likely to burst into tears because someone makes a negative judgement about their behaviour?
This kind of paternalism mentality invites more power to the state to dictate what is wrong and what is right.
You are free to boycott and business that you dislike and are free to persuade people to come around to your point of view, but don't criminalise dissent.
Wow, I agree with him for once. This whole business is just symptomatic of a culture where people feel they can act how they want with a complete disregard for those around them.
Nobody puts baby in the corner.
While I disagree with him, he did say that he didn't really care about it and it wasn't a big issue. Then the Guardian puts it near the top of their news section.
While I disagree with him, he did say that he didn't really care about it and it wasn't a big issue. Then the Guardian puts it near the top of their news section.
Original post by Falcatas
Take that up with the people who think that.
Are you also suggesting that new mothers are so fragile and insecure they are likely to burst into tears because someone makes a negative judgement about their behaviour?
This kind of paternalism mentality invites more power to the state to dictate what is wrong and what is right.
You are free to boycott and business that you dislike and are free to persuade people to come around to your point of view, but don't criminalise dissent.
Are you also suggesting that new mothers are so fragile and insecure they are likely to burst into tears because someone makes a negative judgement about their behaviour?
This kind of paternalism mentality invites more power to the state to dictate what is wrong and what is right.
You are free to boycott and business that you dislike and are free to persuade people to come around to your point of view, but don't criminalise dissent.
No I am suggesting that people have emotions, every person on the planet is shaped by the response people give to their behaviour, it is called socialisation.
I am also against such discrimination. You could say 'Is ______ group so fragile they would be affected by negative judgements about their behaviour'. This argument is ridiculous, any marginalised, minority, racial group could be put in the blank. It doesn't make discrimination acceptable.
Original post by rich2606
Wow, I agree with him for once. This whole business is just symptomatic of a culture where people feel they can act how they want with a complete disregard for those around them.
I know.
If breastfeeding in public actually had any real impact on those around them, you'd have a point.
If you're uncomfortable with public breastfeeding, no one's forcing you to look at it.
Original post by rich2606
Wow, I agree with him for once. This whole business is just symptomatic of a culture where people feel they can act how they want with a complete disregard for those around them.
By feeding their child? Seriously?
Original post by Reason and Logic
No I am suggesting that people have emotions, every person on the planet is shaped by the response people give to their behaviour, it is called socialisation.
I am also against such discrimination. You could say 'Is ______ group so fragile they would be affected by negative judgements about their behaviour'. This argument is ridiculous, any marginalised, minority, racial group could be put in the blank. It doesn't make discrimination acceptable.
I am also against such discrimination. You could say 'Is ______ group so fragile they would be affected by negative judgements about their behaviour'. This argument is ridiculous, any marginalised, minority, racial group could be put in the blank. It doesn't make discrimination acceptable.
You haven't even made a counter argument why my argument is ridiculous.
I am against discrimination too but not to have individuals forcefully re-educated by the state to 'think correctly'.
To suggest people have a human right to be free from discrimination from other individuals is to be against freedom of association.
As long as breast feeders don't mind a glaring audience (which they usually don't), then I couldn't give a toss. If they want to breastfeed then so be it.
I do understand that people may be put off with this whilst they're eating so maybe restaurants should encourage them to move or just invest in a temporary view blocker for that particular customer if space isn't available.
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I do understand that people may be put off with this whilst they're eating so maybe restaurants should encourage them to move or just invest in a temporary view blocker for that particular customer if space isn't available.
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I like how the Guardian article posts the video which disproves the premise of their headline and article. Farage isn't bothered but says a lot of people care and think the establishment should have it's own rules. Him mentioning 'sitting in a corner' is not him saying "All women must sit in a corner when they breastfeed" it is merely acknowledging multiple possibilities. The interviewers says 'they should leave the room?' but that doesn't get thrown against him because he's both asking Farage and stating a possibility. Jesus Christ the Guardian is the Daily Mail for social justice warriors.
Original post by Falcatas
He suggested perhaps they COULD go in the corner but that would be up to the establishment involved to decide.
He suggested perhaps they COULD go in the corner but that would be up to the establishment involved to decide.
But this is the point isn't it
What he said was that he doesn't really care about the issue but he thinks businesses should be allowed to ask feeding mothers to move to
The ladies room, a corner, or wherever
Personally, since I favour breastfeeding on demand, I find his indifference to the needs of mothers and babies offensive and his insistence that businesses should be allowed to sidestep the law astonishing
Could not care less. i will still be voting UKIP
Original post by Reason and Logic
By feeding their child? Seriously?
There are plenty of natural things that we do either in private or at the very least discreetly when in the presence of company. It's basic manners.
Original post by Falcatas
Take that up with the people who think that.
Are you also suggesting that new mothers are so fragile and insecure they are likely to burst into tears because someone makes a negative judgement about their behaviour?
This kind of paternalism mentality invites more power to the state to dictate what is wrong and what is right.
You are free to boycott and business that you dislike and are free to persuade people to come around to your point of view, but don't criminalise dissent.
Are you also suggesting that new mothers are so fragile and insecure they are likely to burst into tears because someone makes a negative judgement about their behaviour?
This kind of paternalism mentality invites more power to the state to dictate what is wrong and what is right.
You are free to boycott and business that you dislike and are free to persuade people to come around to your point of view, but don't criminalise dissent.
How is this criminalising dissent?
Anyway, I do think this is a fairly petty think for the media to jump on, Farage makes enough verbal cock ups that there are probably more important issues where he's put his foot in his mouth.
He does have some vague point that people can be embarrassed by it, but just because some people feel embarrassed because something is near them isn't really a good enough reason to do anything. Personally I'd rather babies were well fed than some people avoided feeling uncomfortable for a tiny fraction of their day, but I'll admit a carte blanche for mothers to just do whatever they want may not be the best solution.
I for one condone and support any attempt by women to bare their breasts in public...
Original post by Reason and Logic
Even if he only said what you state and in the context that you state, how do you think that would make any mothers who wanted to breastfeed their children feel?
This is about as natural of an act as you could get and shaming people for doing it absolutely wrong.
If you are embarrassed by the fundamentals of being a human then you are the one who has a problem.
P.S. A lot of people would rather not look at Nigel Farage when they are eating their dinner, maybe he could sit in the corner or something?
This is about as natural of an act as you could get and shaming people for doing it absolutely wrong.
If you are embarrassed by the fundamentals of being a human then you are the one who has a problem.
P.S. A lot of people would rather not look at Nigel Farage when they are eating their dinner, maybe he could sit in the corner or something?
personally i stop caring about how the mothers feel when they seem to stop caring about how anyone else feels about them whipping their tits out and having their baby suck juice out their nipple.
maybe if i was from a tribe in some remote part of the world where women walked around topless all day then maybe i'd not be so shocked. but hey. we live in a cold country where people generally cover up for 2 thirds of the year because its too cold. so when people usually show off lots of skin its seen as your so desperate to get sexual attention that you'd prefer to brave the cold.
something being natural doesn't constitute it worthy of public display. defecating and urinating is natural. so is spitting. so is crying or laughing. but uno what theres a time and a place. but if i started laughing and crapping my pants at a funeral i doubt you would be marching up to people saying "If you are embarrassed by the fundamentals of being a human then you are the one who has a problem."
in japan its rude if you have your chop sticks on the table and they are pointed at someone. its seen as directing bad energy to them. thats how human beings are. they are complex and have taboos.
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