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Prove that sinhx, i feel like im going round in circles

hey guys ive got to prove this hyperbolic function for my continued revision which i hope will end after Christmas (Y)

I've got to prove sinhx = (2tanhx/2) / 1-(tanhx/2)2

If anyone could help i would be extremely grateful

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Original post by Ramjam
hey guys ive got to prove this hyperbolic function for my continued revision which i hope will end after Christmas (Y)

I've got to prove sinhx = (2tanhx/2) / 1-(tanhx/2)2

If anyone could help i would be extremely grateful

sinh(x)=2tanh(x2)1tanh(x2)2\sinh(x) = \dfrac{2 \tanh(\frac{x}{2})}{1-\tanh(\frac{x}{2})^2}

Do you know the half-angle hyperbolic formulae? They're very similar to the trigonometric ones…
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thanks for the quick replies, i didnt find those formulas in my notes for some reasons, ill give it a go now i have those and report back if im still clueless haha
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When you have something like this, it's usually a good idea to try and break down the more complicated looking side.

Using the definition of tanh(x/2) i.e. it's exponential form will always get you there, but it can sometimes get quite cumbersome when multiplying and dividing through all the exponentials.
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Hey again guys had another crack and Still can seem to work it out, can anyone gimmie a hand ?
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there are 2 ways of doing this (variations)

method A

start from the right

write the tanh(x/2) in terms of sinh(x/2) and cosh(x/2)
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2tanhx/2=2sinhx/2coshx+1?
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Original post by Ramjam
2tanhx/2=2sinhx/2coshx+1?


sorry no.

do you know the definition of the hyperbolic tangent?

if you do start at the RHS and look at the suggestion of my previous post
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Original post by Ramjam
2tanhx/2=2sinhx/2coshx+1?


also use the reply button please if the message is for me

otherwise I do not get a notification so I can only see the reply when I refresh the screen.
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Original post by TeeEm
also use the reply button please if the message is for me

otherwise I do not get a notification so I can only see the reply when I refresh the screen.

Sorry bud thought I did press it, no I don't know the hyperbolic tangent
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Original post by Ramjam
Sorry bud thought I did press it, no I don't know the hyperbolic tangent


ok

tanh(x/2) = sinh(x/2) / cosh(x/2), in analogy with the trigonometric tangent.

start with the RHS

replace all tanh(x/2) with sinh(x/2) / cosh(x/2)
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Before changing tanh for cosh and sinh, I'd start with the most basic identity:

cosh2xsinh2x=1cosh^2x-sinh^2x=1

Diving through by cosh2xcosh^2x would give you an equation of the form you could make use of. Then as TeeEm said, changing the tanh(x2)tanh(\frac{x}{2}) with both sinh(x2)sinh(\frac{x}{2}) and cosh(x2)cosh(\frac{x}{2}) would allow you to simplify, using what you found with the first identity.

Bare in mind, the double angle formulae you used for normal trig functions, are practically the same here, with the use of Osborne's rule, which won't occur here.

In trig, Sin(2x)=2Cos(x)Sin(x)Sin(2x)=2Cos(x)Sin(x) and in hyperbolics Sinh(2x)=2Cosh(2x)Sinh(2x)Sinh(2x)=2Cosh(2x)Sinh(2x). Making the simplification very easy. You'll end up with something that looks like the previous, if you simplify correctly, feel free to ask for help though.
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Original post by TeeEm
ok

tanh(x/2) = sinh(x/2) / cosh(x/2), in analogy with the trigonometric tangent.

start with the RHS

replace all tanh(x/2) with sinh(x/2) / cosh(x/2)


not sure if this is right or not,
(2tanhx/2) / 1-(tanhx/2)^2 =

=(2sinhx/2 / 2coshx/2) / (1-(sinhx/2)2 / 1-(coshx/2)​2)
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Original post by Ramjam
not sure if this is right or not,
(2tanhx/2) / 1-(tanhx/2)^2 =

=(2sinhx/2 / 2coshx/2) / (1-(sinhx/)2 / 1-(coshx/2)​2)


The numerator is right, the denominator is wrong, however, check out my post above yours, it's an easier method.

But, just so you understand:

1tanh2(x2)=1sinh2(x2)cosh2(x2)1-tanh^2(\frac{x}{2})=1-\frac{sinh^2(\frac{x}{2})}{cosh^2(\frac{x}{2})}

Lets say that z=x/yz=x/y

It is not correct to say that: 1z21x21y21-z^2 \equiv \frac{1-x^2}{1-y^2} However, this is correct: 1z21x2y21-z^2 \equiv 1-\frac{x^2}{y^2}

Hope that helps.
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Original post by Ramjam
not sure if this is right or not,
(2tanhx/2) / 1-(tanhx/2)^2 =

=(2sinhx/2 / 2coshx/2) / (1-(sinhx/)2 / 1-(coshx/2)​2)


I am afraid not.

[2sinh(x/2) / cosh(x/2) ] / [ 1 - (sinh2(x/2) / cosh2(x/2) ] is the correct substitution

what course are you doing?
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Original post by TeeEm
I am afraid not.

[2sinh(x/2) / cosh(x/2) ] / [ 1 - (sinh2(x/2) / cosh2(x/2) ] is the correct substitution

what course are you doing?

HNC Electronic engineering
Reply 17
Original post by Ramjam
HNC Electronic engineering


fine

are you following what I have written down
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Original post by TeeEm
fine

are you following what I have written down


Yeh i am, trig has never been a strong subject of mine :frown:
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