Caught on video-Halal slaughter houses abusing & torturing animals

This is not right, by all accounts and measures what he's does is not allowed in Islam so, again - why put blame on people who have done nothing to you? Why condemn others because of actions of one man?

Animal abuse is unfortunately a far bigger problem than simply halal practices. It needs to be condemned whoever is doing it and stamped out. While I don't necessarily agree with halal practice, I feel if we focus too much on halal we may miss the wider problem.


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You wouldn't ban Kosher would you? that would be anti-Semitism. Yet you want to ban everything that makes Muslims, Muslim.

Actually I think one thing Britain and the West needs to do is talk about male circumcision that's barbaric but goes ignored while only rare female circumcision matters.

There's evidence that circumcision causes psychological trauma which may explain Jewish bad behaviour.

This is not right, by all accounts and measures what he's does is not allowed in Islam so, again - why put blame on people who have done nothing to you? Why condemn others because of actions of one man?

Hard to argue with this as it has been filmed, is it time to ban Halal and make muslims integrate into UK society

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/02/halal-slaughtermen-suspended-after-hidden-camera-catches-them-taunting-and-abusing-terrified-animals_n_6599472.html?utm_hp_re f=uk

It is time to ban Halal slaughter. It's also time to ban the slaughter of nonhuman animals in general.

Similar scenes have been observed in numerous investigations of non-religious, secular slaughterhouses. See here, for instance:



Furthermore, there's no such thing as "humane" slaughter for millions of nonhuman animals every year in non-religious slaughterhouses. In a large proportion of cases, stunning goes wrong, meaning that the animals feel a great deal of pain before being stunned a second time or, if that fails, they're just slaughtered whilst alive.

In addition, other methods of slaughter such as the gassing of pigs are completely inhumane, and have the pigs gasping for breath for at least 20 seconds. See this video, for instance.

Didn't watch the video, but I hear you. It's a shame people will simply respond by saying "but meat tastes sooo good" or "who cares? it's just a dumb animal"....

I'm hoping that the people who are outraged by the investigation of the Halal slaughterhouse would not use these fallacious arguments to rationalise eating the flesh of other sentient beings in other instances.

Unless these people are motivated by anti-Muslim sentiment and don't actually care about the plight of nonhuman animals, it's only logical that they reduce their meat consumption or go vegetarian seeing as the meat production process is rife with animal suffering.

So, yes, in everyday situations, most people would respond using the rationalisations you posted, but I hope that, at least in these kinds of threads, people will see the logical inconsistency of caring about the suffering of nonhuman animals in Halal slaughterhouses but continuing to eat meat.

I somewhat disagree. While the best, and most consistent option would to not kill animals altogether, this is clearly not going to happen on a large scale any time soon. Even if we continue to slaughter animals for now, I think it's important to minimise suffering whenever possible (basic utilitarianism). As such, I think it would be more effective to campaign for better conditions and methods for slaughter. Stunning is not perfect (the paper you linked to shows this along with ways it can be improved), but stunning combined with the halal method is the most humane option for now.