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FP2 Edexcel Inequalities Tricky Question



There are a lot of things going on in that question :redface:

Which bit are you stuck on?

Heya, I'm going to put this in the Maths forum for you as you should get more responses there.You should also check out the forum to see if there's any other threads there which might be helpful to you!http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=38
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which part are you experiencing difficulty in understanding?
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Thanks for your replies.

I get to the part where the inequality is greater and equal to zero, and then the stage after that they say that:

0 is greater than and equal to the inequality, I don't understand why this is done.
Original post by SeanFM
There are a lot of things going on in that question :redface:

Which bit are you stuck on?


Original post by Slowbro93
Is it the first step?


Original post by elle77
which part are you experiencing difficulty in understanding?
Original post by Moordland
Thanks for your replies.

I get to the part where the inequality is greater and equal to zero, and then the stage after that they say that:

0 is greater than and equal to the inequality, I don't understand why this is done.


That's because if you have:

x>yx>-y then by multiplying by -1 you'll get x<y-x<y

That's what they have done with the quadratic if you look carefully :smile: I can expand more if you want me to :smile:
Original post by Moordland
Thanks for your replies.

I get to the part where the inequality is greater and equal to zero, and then the stage after that they say that:

0 is greater than and equal to the inequality, I don't understand why this is done.


They've taken out a minus from the quadratic in the line before. When you multiply both sides by -1 of an inequality, what happens?
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Original post by Slowbro93
That's because if you have:

x>yx>-y then by multiplying by -1 you'll get x<y-x<y

That's what they have done with the quadratic if you look carefully :smile: I can expand more if you want me to :smile:


Original post by SeanFM
They've taken out a minus from the quadratic in the line before. When you multiply both sides by -1 of an inequality, what happens?


Thanks guys this clarifies things a bit better. The only problem I still have is that who does the (x+1)(x-2) not change.

Regards.
Original post by Moordland
Thanks guys this clarifies things a bit better. The only problem I still have is that who does the (x+1)(x-2) not change.

Regards.


Because if the only way for it to change is if you take out another minus sign which you wouldn't need to do
Original post by Moordland
Thanks guys this clarifies things a bit better. The only problem I still have is that who does the (x+1)(x-2) not change.

Regards.


(x+1)(x-2) [ (-4-2x-x^2) ] = (x+1)(x-2) [ -1* (4 + 2x + x^2) ]

= -1*(x+1)(x-2)(4+2x+x^2). (Then multiply by -1 and the inequality flips)

You take -1 out from the quadratic, you don't need to worry about the x+1 and x-2.
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Original post by Slowbro93
Because if the only way for it to change is if you take out another minus sign which you wouldn't need to do


Original post by SeanFM
(x+1)(x-2) [ (-4-2x-x^2) ] = (x+1)(x-2) [ -1* (4 + 2x + x^2) ]

= -1*(x+1)(x-2)(4+2x+x^2). (Then multiply by -1 and the inequality flips)

You take -1 out from the quadratic, you don't need to worry about the x+1 and x-2.


omg thank you so much I forgot that if you factored out the -1 of that bracket it could go to the front.

Really appreciate your help, I see it now.

Are you guys giving FP2 in June :smile:
Original post by Moordland
omg thank you so much I forgot that if you factored out the -1 of that bracket it could go to the front.

Really appreciate your help, I see it now.

Are you guys giving FP2 in June :smile:


I am sitting FP2 this June too :smile: Good luck to you. Feel free to message me if you have any particular questions, or post on the forums.
Original post by Moordland
omg thank you so much I forgot that if you factored out the -1 of that bracket it could go to the front.

Really appreciate your help, I see it now.

Are you guys giving FP2 in June :smile:


I did FP2 a loooooooong time ago :tongue: (almost 4 years :tongue: ) I'm getting ready to start my PhD :wink:
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Original post by SeanFM
I am sitting FP2 this June too :smile: Good luck to you. Feel free to message me if you have any particular questions, or post on the forums.


Nice good luck to you too :smile:

Thanks.

Just one last question about this thread, do you think a question like that is more difficult than the standard fp2 inequalities questions given in exams?
Original post by Moordland
Nice good luck to you too :smile:

Thanks.

Just one last question about this thread, do you think a question like that is more difficult than the standard fp2 inequalities questions given in exams?

No not really, that's a typical question.
Original post by Moordland
Nice good luck to you too :smile:

Thanks.

Just one last question about this thread, do you think a question like that is more difficult than the standard fp2 inequalities questions given in exams?


This question is probably the most difficult question I've seen for inequalities in FP2, mainly because of that quadratic that doesn't have any real roots - it's not immediately obvious that it doesn't matter when it comes to finding roots. The hidden -1 is also sneaky. Anyway you know what to do now so I wouldn't worry too much :smile:
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Original post by gagafacea1
No not really, that's a typical question.


Cool thanks :wink:
Original post by Moordland
Cool thanks :wink:

btw, please tell me that you didn't JUST start doing FP2!
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Original post by SeanFM
This question is probably the most difficult question I've seen for inequalities in FP2, mainly because of that quadratic that doesn't have any real roots - it's not immediately obvious that it doesn't matter when it comes to finding roots. The hidden -1 is also sneaky. Anyway you know what to do now so I wouldn't worry too much :smile:


Yes I agree. Thanks :smile:

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