Sex, Virginity and Men

good luck.

good luck.

Well then it's just a puritanical worldview. You may not like the sexual liberty we have developed in this country over the past fifty years or so, but it works just fine for most people (particularly most indigenous people).

Before you start going on about divorce rates, the two may be related but there's nothing to suggest that one causes the other. Freer pre-marital sex lives and higher rates of divorce are both related to a relaxing of social stigma relating to sex and divorce respectively. Both of those things can be traced to the decline of religion in British life.

All that those social stigma served to do was to starve people of their carnal needs and to bind them to unhappy marriages. It's no wonder marriage was more 'successful' when extra-marital sex was frowned upon. Monogamous marriage has never been strong enough to survive sixty years without holding people's sex lives to ransom.

Fair enough, that isn't fully clear. What I'm saying is I think open relationships are fine in a general sense. So if someone says they are in an open relationship, I don't look down on them, and I wouldn't rule one out for myself absolutely, though I think they aren't for me, judging by my current emotions on the issue.

I would say no, because it would upset me, I love her and I enjoy our current set up, I'd ask why she was feeling this way, what else I could do. I don't mind open relationships, but I don't think it's usually a good idea to just switch back and forth whenever you're wanting some strange.

I know what you're saying, that I'm saying I don't want a girl sleeping with other people at this point, and you're saying you don't want her seeing other people at all, and you don't see much difference. But I don't see how you have any right to dictate someone's behaviour when they aren't in a relationship with you. I don't know if you know social contract theory, it's the idea that we all accept our rights and responibilities in being part of a nation state in a theoretical contract. I would say you can see a relationship the same way, there's a theoretical contract where you abide by certain behaviours, but it can only be seen as in force during the relationship.

That last paragraph, i'm pretty sure extra-marital sex is still frowned upon in monogamous marriages, nothing has changed there. Unless you meant pre-marital sex?

Well, I meant to say sex outside marriage, but wasn't aware that extra-marital sex has a narrower meaning than sex outside marriage. My bad.

I suppose making someone else feel good is beyond you then? Selfish.

Well let me tell you little Maid, if you want a man to properly love you, be submissive to him and make him feel like a King.

Ludicrous, you have the laughable notion that all men think like you which, fortunately, they do not. As for your arrogant, patronising demeanour when you speak to females in the thread, it makes me pity you all the more.

Aww thank you I can assure you I'll have no difficulties with finding a husband who wants me to be a submissive angel, as I'm a virgin myself.

This shows how outdated your views are. Most women don't have casual sex because they have poor self control, they have it because, shock horror, women enjoy sex! And having consensual sex isn't immoral!

You're an idiot if you think that the way to make a man happy is to just be submissive. An idiot with idiotic Victorian social values who has never had any fun in bed.

Submission is a classic golden ticket to a content man and a stable relationship.

The only guys who truly believe that are bitter MRA virgins and psychopaths.

if alpha means straight to the point then yes, I am alpha

You're an alpha female? Doesn't that mean no man would want you?

Sex outside of marriage is still frowned upon though, most people don't condone cheating, nothing has changed there.

We could easily survive without women actually, for many men women are only needed for sex, you don't have to be in a relationship to have sex with a woman. Women rely on men more to help them with child bearing and financial security. Quite simply women need men men don't need women, we just use you to our advantage rather than you being something we need.

That's a bit mean, I don't think there's anything special or particularly 'good' about being a virgin.