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refused to give up priority seat on bus
I just want to know whether my actions were justified and if I'm in the right here?
so basically, i was sitting on the (window-side) of a 'priority' seat of a really packed bus (one of the london buses), and an old women (aged 69) got on. The old women indicated that she wanted to sit down, so another lady next to me (in her 50s), gave up her seat.
But then the old women said to the lady that she should sit back down, and that that I should get up instead. I then told her that I would only give up my seat to an elderly/disabled person and not to someone in their 50s who is perfectly healthy enough to stand, simply because they're older than me (I'm 17 btw).
She remained adamant that I had to give up my seat so I just ignored her, because everyone on the packed bus was looking at us arguing. After that, she didn't even sit down on the spare seat next to me and was taunting me and kept saying how rude I was and how I didn't have any manners. When it was clear to her that I wasn't listening, she started chatting sh** about me to other passenger and saying stuff like 'They're so rude these days...'
When another elderly man got on the bus, she told him not to sit next to me.
So I just want to know was I right not to give my seat to the lady in her 50s?
and is my annoyance at the old women justified?
Also, do you think that I was being rude here?
so basically, i was sitting on the (window-side) of a 'priority' seat of a really packed bus (one of the london buses), and an old women (aged 69) got on. The old women indicated that she wanted to sit down, so another lady next to me (in her 50s), gave up her seat.
But then the old women said to the lady that she should sit back down, and that that I should get up instead. I then told her that I would only give up my seat to an elderly/disabled person and not to someone in their 50s who is perfectly healthy enough to stand, simply because they're older than me (I'm 17 btw).
She remained adamant that I had to give up my seat so I just ignored her, because everyone on the packed bus was looking at us arguing. After that, she didn't even sit down on the spare seat next to me and was taunting me and kept saying how rude I was and how I didn't have any manners. When it was clear to her that I wasn't listening, she started chatting sh** about me to other passenger and saying stuff like 'They're so rude these days...'
When another elderly man got on the bus, she told him not to sit next to me.
So I just want to know was I right not to give my seat to the lady in her 50s?
and is my annoyance at the old women justified?
Also, do you think that I was being rude here?
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I'm sorry but you were plain rude! I mean come on you are young and she is so old you could've just easily listened to her out of respect and given her the seat. If she being an elderly lady could respect a lady elder than her, then why couldn't you being way too younger than her?
Next time do learn to respect your elders!
Next time do learn to respect your elders!
it does seem like the woman in her 50s could have be fine to stand unless she was showing signs of struggling. besides she herself didn't consider that you could possibility have a disability yourself.
i ve offered my seats to pregnant women and people who have walking sticks or seem to be struggling to stand and children but wouldnt be polite to a particularly rude person like that.
i ve offered my seats to pregnant women and people who have walking sticks or seem to be struggling to stand and children but wouldnt be polite to a particularly rude person like that.
Depends how tired you are lewl. If I'm super tired I cba to give my seat up.
You're in the damn priority seat...
...then don't allow those who have priority to sit there to do so?
Let me put it in a way you might understand as it seems your intelligence is lacking. That's as stupid as parking a car on a tram line, then the tram comes and you're like nah I don't think you're trammy enough to use this line.
...then don't allow those who have priority to sit there to do so?
Let me put it in a way you might understand as it seems your intelligence is lacking. That's as stupid as parking a car on a tram line, then the tram comes and you're like nah I don't think you're trammy enough to use this line.
Original post by manal_mansoor
I'm sorry but you were plain rude! I mean come on you are young and she is so old you could've just easily listened to her out of respect and given her the seat. If she being an elderly lady could respect a lady elder than her, then why couldn't you being way too younger than her?
Next time do learn to respect your elders!
Next time do learn to respect your elders!
Firstly, why is it that just because she's older than me, I immediately have to respect her. Respect should be earned.
Secondly, I would of given my seat up for her and i always normally do if I see an old person get on the bus. But what pissed me off, was that that the 60 year old specifically asked me to get up for her, when someone else who as perfectly healthy had already given up their seat.
Original post by iAmanze
You're in the damn priority seat...
...then don't allow those who have priority to sit there to do so?
Let me put it in a way you might understand as it seems your intelligence is lacking. That's as stupid as parking a car on a tram line, then the tram comes and you're like nah I don't think you're trammy enough to use this line.
...then don't allow those who have priority to sit there to do so?
Let me put it in a way you might understand as it seems your intelligence is lacking. That's as stupid as parking a car on a tram line, then the tram comes and you're like nah I don't think you're trammy enough to use this line.
Let me put it in a way you might understand as it seems your intelligence is lacking.I don't mind standing up for the elderly (60+).
But someone in their 50s is not elderly, so they doesn't have priority over the seat
How did she know that you dont happen to have a medical condition? I have arthritis in both my ankles whats to say you don't have similar? She is clearly capable of standing if shes willing to stand and make a point and be a dramatic **** stain about it.
As per claireestelle's comment really. Id say that's a fair way of going about it.
As per claireestelle's comment really. Id say that's a fair way of going about it.
Well basically unlike in most areas of life on a bus you are at the bottom of the social hierarchy and need to accept your place in the circle of life. If you wish to be queen of the pride you must go through a traumatic life experience (preferably involving your hypothetical father being betrayed by your uncle and subsequently mauled by a stampede of wildebeest), seek out the counsel of a wise sloth and warthog in a state of depression, live a life of unabashed hedonism as a hermit for around a decade and then one day unexpectedly receive a rude wake-up call from a dashing young male lion from your past to fulfil your responsibilities as an adult lioness, who you will initially spurn but will ultimately listen to after an eye-opening trip to a deranged baboon-cum-witchdoctor. Hopefully your perilous journey will feature a fittingly majestic Academy Award-winning soundtrack by Elton John
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You were well within your right to do what you did. Its a shame people commenting haven't read or weren't capable of understanding the original post. No one was left standing who wasn't able to stand.
Just because someone was born before you does not mean they are instantly worthy of respect. Clearly this old woman was not. She sounds like a disgusting creature.
Just because someone was born before you does not mean they are instantly worthy of respect. Clearly this old woman was not. She sounds like a disgusting creature.
Original post by Smash Bandicoot
Well basically unlike in most areas of life on a bus you are at the bottom of the social hierarchy and need to accept your place in the circle of life. If you wish to be queen of the pride you must go through a traumatic life experience (preferably involving your hypothetical father being betrayed by your uncle and subsequently mauled by a stampede of wildebeest), seek out the counsel of a wise sloth and warthog in a state of depression, live a life of unabashed hedonism as a hermit for around a decade and then one day unexpectedly receive a rude wake-up call from a dashing young male lion from your past to fulfil your responsibilities as an adult lioness, who you will initially spurn but will ultimately listen to after an eye-opening trip to a deranged baboon-cum-witchdoctor. Hopefully your perilous journey will feature a fittingly majestic Academy Award-winning soundtrack by Elton John
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was she sowing any signs of physical strain, pain or exhaustion in standing or moving?
No, she was perfectly healthy,
I even thought she was in her 30s until she told me her age
Original post by ScarletXxXRose
was she sowing any signs of physical strain, pain or exhaustion in standing or moving?
No, she was perfectly healthy,
I even thought she was in her 30s until she told me her age
No, she was perfectly healthy,
I even thought she was in her 30s until she told me her age
hmm
I'm also seeing that the light-hearted Lion King analogy to put this in perspective were lost on you tonight :/
Original post by ScarletXxXRose
Let me put it in a way you might understand as it seems your intelligence is lacking.I don't mind standing up for the elderly (60+).
But someone in their 50s is not elderly, so they doesn't have priority over the seat
But someone in their 50s is not elderly, so they doesn't have priority over the seat
I agree with you. If cheeky old lady would have started to harass me she would have got a prompt "**** off, love", that is, assuming nobody I knew was on the bus. If there was I would have agreed and stood up.
Isn't that odd?
Ah I live a life of facades.
Original post by Smash Bandicoot
hmm
I'm also seeing that the light-hearted Lion King analogy to put this in perspective were lost on you tonight :/
I'm also seeing that the light-hearted Lion King analogy to put this in perspective were lost on you tonight :/
I've never watched lion king...
Original post by ScarletXxXRose
I've never watched lion king...
Originally I read this as the 70 year old demanded you move after the 50 y/o got up, and thought that was fair. But the 50 y/o should not be asking you to move, it's based off frailty and fitness not age.
Original post by TorpidPhil
I agree with you. If cheeky old lady would have started to harass me she would have got a prompt "**** off, love", that is, assuming nobody I knew was on the bus. If there was I would have agreed and stood up.
Isn't that odd?
Ah I live a life of facades.
Isn't that odd?
Ah I live a life of facades.
Why would you have stood up if there was somebody you knew on the bus?
If there was someone I knew on the bus, I would have had more courage to voice my opinions.
Original post by ScarletXxXRose
Why would you have stood up if there was somebody you knew on the bus?
If there was someone I knew on the bus, I would have had more courage to voice my opinions.
If there was someone I knew on the bus, I would have had more courage to voice my opinions.
Because my opinions tend to make me look like a dick and I guess if I really don't care about someone I am a dick. I don't want to look like a dick in front of others though, others I remotely care about impressing that is; I don't care whether strangers respect me.
Original post by Smash Bandicoot
Originally I read this as the 70 year old demanded you move after the 50 y/o got up, and thought that was fair. But the 50 y/o should not be asking you to move, it's based off frailty and fitness not age.
Originally I read this as the 70 year old demanded you move after the 50 y/o got up, and thought that was fair. But the 50 y/o should not be asking you to move, it's based off frailty and fitness not age.
I think that is what happened from my understanding.
70 year old wanted a seat, 50 year old went to get up. 70 year old told the 50 year old not to get up, she only wanted OP's seat. OP then refused as 70 year old could sit in the seat the 50 year old had vacated. Leaving the 50 year old standing.
Original post by josh_v
I think that is what happened from my understanding.
70 year old wanted a seat, 50 year old went to get up. 70 year old told the 50 year old not to get up, she only wanted OP's seat. OP then refused as 70 year old could sit in the seat the 50 year old had vacated. Leaving the 50 year old standing.
70 year old wanted a seat, 50 year old went to get up. 70 year old told the 50 year old not to get up, she only wanted OP's seat. OP then refused as 70 year old could sit in the seat the 50 year old had vacated. Leaving the 50 year old standing.
it's sad that such a subtle difference in the narrative is subconsciously reshaping my ethical views on the decision, seems we've been socialised with this 'respect your elders' mantra in the wrong way
Well I guess you haven't technically done anything wrong, although I'd imagine that everybody on the bus went away from the situation thinking that you were a bit of a dick.
Sometimes it's better to just give in early on and avoid making a situation worse. When I came back to Uni at the start of term, I got on a train from Stratford around rush hour; it was packed with commuters and this guy was standing next to me having a really loud conversation on his phone. I had one earphone in and was just listening to some music, and when he finished his phone call he had a go at me for not using both earphones (presumably he could hear the music). I was within my rights to tell him that he'd been just as inconsiderate and that we weren't even in a quiet carriage, but instead I just apologised and turned my music off. Bit of a pain for me, but it stopped any further problems and I don't imagine that I was the one that the rest of the passengers on the train thought was an arse.
Sometimes it's better to just give in early on and avoid making a situation worse. When I came back to Uni at the start of term, I got on a train from Stratford around rush hour; it was packed with commuters and this guy was standing next to me having a really loud conversation on his phone. I had one earphone in and was just listening to some music, and when he finished his phone call he had a go at me for not using both earphones (presumably he could hear the music). I was within my rights to tell him that he'd been just as inconsiderate and that we weren't even in a quiet carriage, but instead I just apologised and turned my music off. Bit of a pain for me, but it stopped any further problems and I don't imagine that I was the one that the rest of the passengers on the train thought was an arse.
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