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Breivik admitted as full student at Oslo University

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Original post by The Epicurean
But this would cost tax payers money. One issue raised against the idea of rehabilitating him was the aspect of money. If money saving was the true issue at heart, surely we would want to have him die ASAP?


No more than it would to keep any other prisoner long term. I don't care about the monetary aspect. Stop assuming that I do.


Was it a crime that justifiably deserved a death sentence?

Maybe, maybe not. My position is that I simply don't care and I don't have much sympathy for them.


So you believe capital punishment is a deterrent then? May I ask your opinion on Sharia law and the effectiveness of chopping off a persons hand or stoning someone to death as a deterrent?

I think you're reading into my comments a bit too much. I'm simply saying that I don't care. I'm not saying it's a deterrent. My position is that I'm against capital punishment in the UK, so I clearly don't see it as a deterrent.
I don't think I've claimed it's a deterrent so far in this thread. Sharia is irrelevant, but for the record I'm against it. I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm ok with cutting off hands or stonings.
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Reply 61
Norway's prison system works. All the statistics say so. Ours by comparison is failing so I think we should just let them go about their business here.
Reply 62
Original post by Wattsy
Norway's prison system works. All the statistics say so. Ours by comparison is failing so I think we should just let them go about their business here.


It still works in Norway because they still have communities. We don't.
Reply 63
Original post by JamieG96
Well done Anders. He is entitled to an education like everyone else.


Welcome, thanks for trolling:wink:
Reply 64
Original post by SeaPony
It still works in Norway because they still have communities. We don't.


You have Maggie to thank for that if you think it's true. I personally don't believe the statement or understand how it's relevant to the brilliant rehabilitation rates of Norway's prison system. Prisons are always going to be communities due to their layout. Norway's prisons are just better than ours at preparing people for non-criminal life in the outside world.
Reply 65
I meant communities on the outside that can support people on re integrating in society. Our system fails because they live in luxury and go back to their dilapidated council house with no support and no community and just commit crime for a free warm meal and to be around people who are similar to them.
Original post by SeaPony
Scandinavia are a bunch of liberal scum and they deserve what happens to their countries. They are weak and they are being walked over more than we are.


Funny, seeing as their countries are apparently much better to live in than ours.

Try not to go full retard
Reply 67
Original post by Zander01
Funny, seeing as their countries are apparently much better to live in than ours.

Try not to go full retard


In Norway they still have communities outside of prison... we don't here.

Same can't be said for what has happened to weak Sweden.
Original post by SeaPony
In Norway they still have communities outside of prison... we don't here.

Same can't be said for what has happened to weak Sweden.


Sweden's re-offending rate is about half of the UK's.

Stop dribbling about communities you moron and do some research on the topic before making a fool of yourself.
Reply 69
Original post by Zander01
Sweden's re-offending rate is about half of the UK's.

Stop dribbling about communities you moron and do some research on the topic before making a fool of yourself.


I know its re offending rate is low and that is because they still have communities that ex offenders can go to for support.
Original post by Zander01
Funny, seeing as their countries are apparently much better to live in than ours.

Try not to go full retard


Only Norway and Sweden are full on insane lefty like he's talking about.

It works in Norway because the notion that socialism stops working when you run out of other people's money doesn't apply to Norway because they have more oil money for their population than they know what to do with.

Sweden on the other hand is rapidly becoming a hole. Go to Malmo and tell me it's not abysmal. They say give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile. Sweden gives its immigrants the mile from the get go. And they still get race riots. lol..............
An absolute joke.
Original post by SeaPony
Why waste money on him as he is never going to be rehabilitated?


That's Scandinavia for you
Original post by thunder_chunky
No more than it would to keep any other prisoner long term. I don't care about the monetary aspect. Stop assuming that I do.


You quoted SeaPony when he made reference to the monetary aspect, and made reference to the fact that you agreed with his reason. That is why I thought you perceived the monetary aspect to be of importance.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3458459&p=57837403#post57837403


Original post by thunder_chunky
Maybe, maybe not. My position is that I simply don't care and I don't have much sympathy for them.


Would your opinion be different if it were a family member, or would you still assume the same position?


Original post by thunder_chunky
I think you're reading into my comments a bit too much. I'm simply saying that I don't care. I'm not saying it's a deterrent. My position is that I'm against capital punishment in the UK, so I clearly don't see it as a deterrent


You stated that is was "a lesson for anyone who wants to give it ago." This comment implies (at least how I read it), that you believe that the execution of these people will act as a lesson for other people to learn from, and thus choose not to pursue such an action. In which case, it would be acting as a deterrent.


Original post by thunder_chunky
I don't think I've claimed it's a deterrent so far in this thread. Sharia is irrelevant, but for the record I'm against it. I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm ok with cutting off hands or stonings.


You have expressed a number of times that you have no sympathy and do not care. Sharia law often gets a lot of criticism on TSR, so I was intrigued that there was possibly a non-Muslim on TSR who seemed to support or at least condone such punishments.
Original post by The Epicurean
You quoted SeaPony when he made reference to the monetary aspect, and made reference to the fact that you agreed with his reason. That is why I thought you perceived the monetary aspect to be of importance.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3458459&p=57837403#post57837403


That was a reference to the Uni course.



Would your opinion be different if it were a family member, or would you still assume the same position?


It wasn't and wouldn't ever be, so that's irrelevant.


You stated that is was "a lesson for anyone who wants to give it ago." This comment implies (at least how I read it), that you believe that the execution of these people will act as a lesson for other people to learn from, and thus choose not to pursue such an action. In which case, it would be acting as a deterrent.


This doesn't mean I believe it to be a deterrent though. More that it's a consequence. A rather predictable consequence. If I truly thought it was a deterrent, I probably wouldn't oppose capital punishment in the UK


You have expressed a number of times that you have no sympathy and do not care. Sharia law often gets a lot of criticism on TSR, so I was intrigued that there was possibly a non-Muslim on TSR who seemed to support or at least condone such punishments.


Well you've not had any luck here. I don't support it or condone it in any way, shape, or form.

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