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University was a big mistake, not sure where to go from here.

Going to university and everything leading up to it may have been the worst decision of my life. My higher education can be summed up as being a series of closing doors leading up to a path I never wanted. I was never sure what I wanted, and when I started to realise what I did want, I realised I'd left that option behind years ago.

So here I am, 20 years old, stuck in university and hating every aspect of it. And if my own mistakes weren't enough, the university has so far proven to be nothing but completely incompetent, and with such a small course and people talking of leaving, we might lose the course anyway.

I guess I just don't like academia. I like learning about things I care about, those things I learn and study for fun. It's not that I'm choosing to be somehow ignorant, it's just that the university path just doesn't seem to be for me.

I like practical things, I like making things and growing things. My real passion is brewing and my main goal is to raise the funds to start my own meadery. A years worth of regular work should give me what I need to get started without having to go into debt. So one option is to work for a year doing anything and then setting up shop. Other than that, I find most work that doesn't involve offices of pretence to be immensely satisfying. At the moment I work alone in a cold store packing vegetables, but I come home at the end of it feeling accomplished and satisfied, whereas I'm coming home from uni every day feeling like I wasted my time at best, or seething with anger at the worst.

I'm thinking I should have done agricultural college or something, steered down that route. I'd kill for farm work now, but I'm just not knowledgeable enough about the industry to be employable. I know the principles and have experience farming on a small scale, but nothing that is really applicable to a large scale operation, and nothing official. But, I mean, I'm 20, I can't be going back to college.

I've forced myself down this academic route and now I realised it was a mistake. I guess what I want to do is sidestep into the agricultural college path rather than having to backtrack, which just isn't really practical. I'd hate to think that my mistakes after GCSE when I didn't know what I want could now lock me on a road that I utterly hate. Seriously, I need a way out because this is really starting to effect me more than anything else ever has. Every day I start thinking about the future and it makes me feel defeated, because even the best case scenario that could come from doing this course isn't something I want. But frankly, I don't think I could even make the 3 years, and if I did, I'd be a mental wreck.

And alongside all this, I feel like this is the time in my life I'm supposed to be enjoying myself. But I just ****ing can't. I need to sort this out soon or I'm going to be pissing the 'best years' of my life away.
(edited 8 years ago)
Reply 1
Have you looked at Harper Adams Uni in Shropshire. They do an 3 year agriculture foundation course - the 2nd year is a placement in the farming industry. If you do well you can stay on for a 4th year and complete a Bsc. It is well respected in the 'farming world'. If you apply you must have done at least 10 weeks work experience on a farm, 20 is still very young and you will find that age is not an issue when surrounded by like minded people with a passion for farming.
Original post by gundog48
Going to university and everything leading up to it may have been the worst decision of my life. My higher education can be summed up as being a series of closing doors leading up to a path I never wanted. I was never sure what I wanted, and when I started to realise what I did want, I realised I'd left that option behind years ago.

So here I am, 20 years old, stuck in university and hating every aspect of it. And if my own mistakes weren't enough, the university has so far proven to be nothing but completely incompetent, and with such a small course and people talking of leaving, we might lose the course anyway.

I guess I just don't like academia. I like learning about things I care about, those things I learn and study for fun. It's not that I'm choosing to be somehow ignorant, it's just that the university path just doesn't seem to be for me.

I like practical things, I like making things and growing things. My real passion is brewing and my main goal is to raise the funds to start my own meadery. A years worth of regular work should give me what I need to get started without having to go into debt. So one option is to work for a year doing anything and then setting up shop. Other than that, I find most work that doesn't involve offices of pretence to be immensely satisfying. At the moment I work alone in a cold store packing vegetables, but I come home at the end of it feeling accomplished and satisfied, whereas I'm coming home from uni every day feeling like I wasted my time at best, or seething with anger at the worst.

I'm thinking I should have done agricultural college or something, steered down that route. I'd kill for farm work now, but I'm just not knowledgeable enough about the industry to be employable. I know the principles and have experience farming on a small scale, but nothing that is really applicable to a large scale operation, and nothing official. But, I mean, I'm 20, I can't be going back to college.

I've forced myself down this academic route and now I realised it was a mistake. I guess what I want to do is sidestep into the agricultural college path rather than having to backtrack, which just isn't really practical. I'd hate to think that my mistakes after GCSE when I didn't know what I want could now lock me on a road that I utterly hate. Seriously, I need a way out because this is really starting to effect me more than anything else ever has. Every day I start thinking about the future and it makes me feel defeated, because even the best case scenario that could come from doing this course isn't something I want. But frankly, I don't think I could even make the 3 years, and if I did, I'd be a mental wreck.

And alongside all this, I feel like this is the time in my life I'm supposed to be enjoying myself. But I just ****ing can't. I need to sort this out soon or I'm going to be pissing the 'best years' of my life away.


Look into Harper Adams? They specialise in agriculture!!!

Try to get an apprenticeship or just work hard and earn as much money as you can, if possible try to work in the field you love.
Original post by gundog48
Going to university and everything leading up to it may have been the worst decision of my life. My higher education can be summed up as being a series of closing doors leading up to a path I never wanted. I was never sure what I wanted, and when I started to realise what I did want, I realised I'd left that option behind years ago.

So here I am, 20 years old, stuck in university and hating every aspect of it. And if my own mistakes weren't enough, the university has so far proven to be nothing but completely incompetent, and with such a small course and people talking of leaving, we might lose the course anyway.

I guess I just don't like academia. I like learning about things I care about, those things I learn and study for fun. It's not that I'm choosing to be somehow ignorant, it's just that the university path just doesn't seem to be for me.

I like practical things, I like making things and growing things. My real passion is brewing and my main goal is to raise the funds to start my own meadery. A years worth of regular work should give me what I need to get started without having to go into debt. So one option is to work for a year doing anything and then setting up shop. Other than that, I find most work that doesn't involve offices of pretence to be immensely satisfying. At the moment I work alone in a cold store packing vegetables, but I come home at the end of it feeling accomplished and satisfied, whereas I'm coming home from uni every day feeling like I wasted my time at best, or seething with anger at the worst.

I'm thinking I should have done agricultural college or something, steered down that route. I'd kill for farm work now, but I'm just not knowledgeable enough about the industry to be employable. I know the principles and have experience farming on a small scale, but nothing that is really applicable to a large scale operation, and nothing official. But, I mean, I'm 20, I can't be going back to college.

I've forced myself down this academic route and now I realised it was a mistake. I guess what I want to do is sidestep into the agricultural college path rather than having to backtrack, which just isn't really practical. I'd hate to think that my mistakes after GCSE when I didn't know what I want could now lock me on a road that I utterly hate. Seriously, I need a way out because this is really starting to effect me more than anything else ever has. Every day I start thinking about the future and it makes me feel defeated, because even the best case scenario that could come from doing this course isn't something I want. But frankly, I don't think I could even make the 3 years, and if I did, I'd be a mental wreck.

And alongside all this, I feel like this is the time in my life I'm supposed to be enjoying myself. But I just ****ing can't. I need to sort this out soon or I'm going to be pissing the 'best years' of my life away.



Okay first of all. Don't close doors yourself with the excuse that you're 20 and can't go back to college. You absolutely can. I took animal management at college, which involved farm work and they also did pure agriculture courses. And one of the guys on my course was in his late 30s and we were all good friends. Nobody else is shutting that door for you, only you. Don't make it more difficult for yourself by deciding an arbitrary cut off age point.

You didn't mention how long you have been at uni. But if you're not enjoying it just leave. You're not stuck there. You are deciding to stay even though you hate it. I get that things aren't perfect and you had wished you had taken a different route, but you didn't so now you have to do what you can to get onto a different route rather than complain about it and do nothing different.

Don't see going back to college as a "back track". By ignoring the opportunity of college (or any other opportunities) because it means "stepping back" all you are doing is stopping yourself from moving forward, which in the long run will cause you to be even further back than you are now. So stop.
(edited 8 years ago)
Reply 4
Original post by SophieSmall
Okay first of all. Don't close doors yourself with the excuse that you're 20 and can't go back to college. You absolutely can. I took animal management at college, which involved farm work and they also did pure agriculture courses. And one of the guys on my course was in his late 30s and we were all good friends. Nobody else is shutting that door for you, only you. Don't make it more difficult for yourself by deciding an arbitrary cut off age point.

You didn't mention how long you have been at uni. But if you're not enjoying it just leave. You're not stuck there. You are deciding to stay even though you hate it. I get that things aren't perfect and you had wished you had taken a different route, but you didn't so now you have to do what you can to get onto a different route rather than complain about it and do nothing different.

Don't see going back to college as a "back track". By ignoring the opportunity of college (or any other opportunities) because it means "stepping back" all you are doing is stopping yourself from moving forward, which in the long run will cause you to be even further back than you are now. So stop.


Right now my most likely scenarios are sticking with it or leaving and getting a job to finance my business. If I drop out and go back to uni, I'll be 21 by the time I start. If all goes well, I'll be almost 24 by the time I can start working. That's just so terribly depressing. Others' suggestions of going to somewhere like Harper Adams are good, but committing to another 3 years of uni at 21 makes me sick to my stomach.
Original post by gundog48
Right now my most likely scenarios are sticking with it or leaving and getting a job to finance my business. If I drop out and go back to uni, I'll be 21 by the time I start. If all goes well, I'll be almost 24 by the time I can start working. That's just so terribly depressing. Others' suggestions of going to somewhere like Harper Adams are good, but committing to another 3 years of uni at 21 makes me sick to my stomach.


Honestly you're being plain ridiculous and melodramatic about the age.

If you want to start a business then great good for you, hope it works out. But you need to do a lot of research. A lot of business fail in their first year for a reason, don't let that be you.
Reply 6
Original post by SophieSmall
Honestly you're being plain ridiculous and melodramatic about the age.

If you want to start a business then great good for you, hope it works out. But you need to do a lot of research. A lot of business fail in their first year for a reason, don't let that be you.


I've been working on the business plan for some time, I'm pretty much at a stage where I can pull the trigger on it. Everything's been worked out at the absolute worst case, and has the benefit of being able to tick over even on very small volumes, so if it doesn't pick up very quickly, it's really no problem.

Age wise... It's 4 more years of complete dependence and feeling like I'm wasting my time. The thought of not earning any proper money in that time really gets me down. I'm likely around 1/3rd of the way through my life, and I'm still in education, still relying on other people's money and still miles away from even thinking about getting my own place. Not sure I can deal with all that.
It's good that you have realised this now: realising this at 20 years old is much better than when lots of people realise this type of thing, often after they've got their degree and then thought "why on earth did I do all that".
Definitely go and do something you feel is more worthwhile, as soon as it makes sense to do so.
(Can you get into something which starts in January?)
Original post by gundog48
Right now my most likely scenarios are sticking with it or leaving and getting a job to finance my business. If I drop out and go back to uni, I'll be 21 by the time I start. If all goes well, I'll be almost 24 by the time I can start working. That's just so terribly depressing. Others' suggestions of going to somewhere like Harper Adams are good, but committing to another 3 years of uni at 21 makes me sick to my stomach.


Hi, how far are you into your current course? Could you complete it and then do a postgraduate degree in the ag sector? We have plenty of PG students who come here after completing an undergraduate degree elsewhere. If you'd like to discuss that or any other options, we have a postgrad open afternoon this Friday and a wider campus tour afternoon on December 11. Or you could chat through your options with our admissions team. [email protected] 01952 815000

http://www.harper-adams.ac.uk/events/open-day.cfm

I hope you find the right way forward - good luck

Jac @Harper Adams
p.s we have a micro-brewery in our Food Academy, and a food biotechnology lecturer with research interests in Brewing,

Courses that you might wish to consider switching to: http://www.harper-adams.ac.uk/undergraduate/food-studies.cfm :smile:
A meadery, that sounds like a promising business venture.
Original post by cole-slaw
A meadery, that sounds like a promising business venture.


Perhaps it's because I live in Brighton, but I reckon you could definitely have a life for yourself making artisan mead :beard:

Sounds wonderful :moon:
Original post by Puddles the Monkey
Perhaps it's because I live in Brighton, but I reckon you could definitely have a life for yourself making artisan mead :beard:

Sounds wonderful :moon:


Sounds like a honey-trap to me.
Original post by cole-slaw
Sounds like a honey-trap to me.


Oh bee-have :tongue:
what are you studying at Uni? Are you in your first year or near the end?
You are still going to end up with a student loan to pay back, so it is worth thinking about completing the degree so that you can demonstrate determination to a future employer (or a financial backer etc). Also for your own self-esteem it is good to finish something that you have started. A degree, in any subject, says to a future employer that you have reached a certain level of education. You would kick yourself if you reached your 30's and regretted not finishing - much harder to go back then.

What about starting your business plans on a small scale while you are studying? I know someone who ran a sideline business supplying beer kegs for parties while doing their degree and made a career out of it afterwards.
Reply 15
If you are in your first year, perhaps quitting now is for the best IF you have a clear path on what to do next and can finance it.

If you are in second or third year, I would honestly complete your degree and then start you business/passion as at least you should have a degree to your name.

In some ways, it is true that it feels like as you go higher in education, you learn more and more about less and less. Which feels like doors are closing. In reality, if you know you can push them hard enough, the doors never close :smile:

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