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Chief Rabbi condemns 'offensive' Corbyn anti-Semitism comments

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leinad2012

'For heavens sake man, go!'

Found this hilarious, I watched it 10 times at least, laughing harder every time at the way Cameron shouted "go". You could actually hear the hurt and pain in Cameron's voice, a broken man attacking another broken man. Magical

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incredible randi

Original post by Thutmose-III

Brexiteers want EU citizens in the UK to be subject to a government that has a good chance of seeing them expelled en masse,

Just sayin

Reply 42

anarchism101

Leaving aside the bulk of your largely irrelevant Gish Gallop, I'm going to address the parts that actually somewhat addressed my question.

Original post by Thutmose-III

Anti-zionists want Jews in the Levant to be subject to a government that has a good chance of seeing them expelled en masse, if not killed.

This is simply you repeating your previous post in more words.

Many of them admit it openly, and the ones who don't are nonetheless calling for it indirectly. If you want an outcome that leads to millions of Jews being harmed, then you are an anti-semite.

Do anti-Zionists who support, for example, a binational state in all of what is now Israel and the Palestinian Territories support Jews being harmed, killed and expelled?

Also, simply asserting that many or most of a particular group of people believe X is a poor argument, as if even if true it doesn't make belief in X a criteria of membership in the group. I think most who voted Leave did so for petty nationalist and or xenophobic reasons, but regardless of whether that's true, I certainly don't believe it to be an inherent part of voting Leave.

Reply 43

JamesN88

Does this guy ever think before he speaks?

Reply 44

Thutmose-III

Original post by anarchism101

Leaving aside the bulk of your largely irrelevant Gish Gallop, I'm going to address the parts that actually somewhat addressed my question.

The fact I've made numerous points to which you feel incapable of responding or rebutting doesn't make it a Gish Gallop

This is simply you repeating your previous post in more words.

Err, nope. He asked me to explain my position and I did. Which part do you find confusing? I will endeavour to school you.

Do anti-Zionists who support, for example, a binational state in all of what is now Israel and the Palestinian Territories support Jews being harmed, killed and expelled?

Yes, because the practical effect of a binational state, which could only be imposed by forcible abolition of the Israeli state given the almost universal opposition to it in Israel, is to see Israeli Jews expelled from the Levant.

Abelieve X is a poor argument, as if even if true it doesn't make belief in X a criteria of membership in the group

It's clear you're struggling to grapple with my position. I've explained it quite clearly; the practical effect of the abolition of the Israeli state (which anti-Zionists seek) is the mass expulsion or murder of large numbers of Jews. If someone wishes large numbers of Jews to be harmed, they are anti-semitic as a matter of fact irrespective of intention or any deluded beliefs along the lines of "I'm a 'progressive'; I couldn't possibly be a racist/bigot"

As for questions of overlapping beliefs, other people might argue "Not all anti-Zionists are anti-semites, but all anti-semites are anti-Zionists. Why is that?". That is not my contention as I have stated anti-Zionism is in and of itself anti-semitic. I'm merely adding some flavour and texture to the reality of anti-Zionist anti-semitism

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Reply 45

anarchism101

Original post by Thutmose-III

The fact I've made numerous points to which you feel incapable of responding or rebutting doesn't make it a Gish Gallop

My response is that what you said was irrelevant. You gave of list of claims all following the same structure: "If you believe/do X, you are an anti-semite." However, you gave no justification or explanation, in any of them, as to why believing/doing X was an inherent part of anti-Zionism, which was the point in discussion. Without that, whether or not I agree with your the claims is not important, as it has no impact on the point in contention.

Err, nope. He asked me to explain my position and I did. Which part do you find confusing? I will endeavour to school you.

You said:

Original post by Thutmose-III

If you want very bad things to happen to lots of Jews, you're an anti-semite. That's what anti-zionists want.

And then when I asked you to explain, you said:

Original post by Thutmose-III

Anti-zionists want Jews in the Levant to be subject to a government that has a good chance of seeing them expelled en masse, if not killed.

All you did was specify what the "very bad things" are, and expanded from anti-Zionists wanting this to happen to wanting a government that would do it. Not really much explanation.

Why is it?

Also, it's quite a jump of logic to suggest that someone who supports a policy that is currently unpopular must want to forcibly impose it, rather than trying to bring it about via persuasion of some sort.

I've explained it quite clearly; the practical effect of the abolition of the Israeli state (which anti-Zionists seek) is the mass expulsion or murder of large numbers of Jews.

No, you've merely asserted that. As I said above, why?

Reply 46

That Bearded Man

Original post by Lord Gaben

Jeremy Corbyn should apologise to the British Jewish community for his offensive remarks. It's disgraceful to compare ISIS to Israel.

So it is.

So why should Corbyn apologise then?

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admonit

Original post by That Bearded Man

So it is.

So why should Corbyn apologise then?

In fact the Labour Party already apologized to Israel.

"Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry later phoned the Israeli Ambassador in London to apologise for any offence caused by Mr Corbyn's remarks."
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36676018

Of course Corbin is an anti-Semite. The question is why somebody needs his apologies?