Christian bakery loses gay cake appeal

You don't seem to have really addressed the point I've made. Supporting gay marriage and no supporting gay marriage are both points of ideology, which is to say they're both, in essence, political beliefs. You seem to be making the mistake of thinking that supporting gay marriage and being homosexual are the same thing. They're not.

If you own the bakery yes you should be able to choose who you enter into a legal relationship with.

For the reason I just gave. This cannot be discrimination against sexual orientation, because anybody can be pro gay marriage, anybody could have gone into that bakery and asked for that same cake, and anybody gay or straight would have been refused.

We know that they refused to make it because of the message that was printed on it, that's it. Now you can argue whether or not a business has the right to refuse to produce a cake, banner, poster, whatever it may be that is in support of a political cause they disagree with, but this is quite simply not an instance where somebody was discriminated against because of their sexual orientation.

Obviously not true.

This idea is actually insane.

People choose to be religious? Yeah maybe when they lived on the earth for a few years and can make decisions for themselves, most religious people are born into religious families.

I really dont know the whole argument of being born gay or if its a choice , but no gay person is born into a gay family (gay people dont give birth.)
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Micro-aggresion? Now that you used this term i know who i am arguing against I no longer want to carry on rofl.

As I just said to the other guy. The motive matters. You refuse something based on a hate for homosexuality.

It's not even that I am against discrimination. I am personally happy to discriminate against religious people, racists, bigots, criminals, what have you. But gender, race, sexual preference are not choices that people make, one cannot discriminate based on those.

If a religious family came in and asked for a cake against gay marriage should a married gay person have to make that cake?

It depends on the law. If the law says being a bigot is a protected category, then they would have to make a cake but I don't think bigotry is a protect category although I expect a lot of religious people are bigots and they will no doubt feel god's wrath on judgement day.

It depends on the law. If the law says being a bigot is a protected category, then they would have to make a cake but I don't think bigotry is a protect category although I expect a lot of religious people are bigots and they will no doubt feel god's wrath on judgement day.

Feel free to leave then. No one's holding the door.

Being gay is against some religions and religion is protected so does the gay person have to make the question yes or no? It's a simple question answer it.

The point is that supporting gay marraige has nothing to do with being gay. Straight people can be active supporters of gay marriage, and gay people (though to a much lesser degree admittedly) can be against it.

There's a very simple point to this. I, as a straight man, could have gone to this bakery, I could have asked for the same thing (a cake saying "support gay marriage" etc.) and I would have been refused. Now ... this cannot possibly be discrimination based upon the protected characteristic of me being gay since, well, I'm not gay.

I was quite clear in my reply, please consult a dictionary if you cannot understand any words I have used.

The court is not in agreement with your point, therefore its worthless in this context.

N.Ireland is the least progressive. The South are actually a lot more progressive than us ones in the North. At least they allow gay marriage now...

So you are ok forcing gay people to make anti gay merchandise?

You obviously have not heard of gay women.

No that's called a comparison, if we are talking about cakes and I use bread as an example, I'm not suddenly making it about bread am I ?

Plus you are making assumptions again, not all religious people feel that homosexuality directly conflicts with their beliefs, the bible states many things as an abomination, not just homosexuality, I'm sure they would make a prawn themed cake even though the bible states eating shellfish is an abomination.

I don't know a single Muslim who would wish death upon a gay person, I get your point but it's pretty offensive and is a stereotype.


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Did you really just say it was just a concept?? What an idiot, they discriminated because they refused to make a cake for a same sex wedding, it's that simple, a man and a woman can have their cake and eat it, but a gay couple can't.

if you don't like a 'concept' that's your issue you can't discriminate through your business. Replace gay with interracial and tell me it wouldn't be discrimination if a white guy and his Asian girlfriend were refused a wedding cake, but two white people were allowed!



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