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Did American Missile Defense Fail in Saudi Arabia?



The official story was clear: Saudi forces shot down a ballistic missile fired by Yemen’s Houthi rebel group last month at Saudi Arabia’s capital, Riyadh. It was a victory for the Saudis and for the United States, which supplied the Patriot missile defense system.“Our system knocked the missile out of the air,” President Trump said the next day from Air Force One en route to Japan, one of the 14 countries that use the system. “That’s how good we are. Nobody makes what we make, and now we’re selling it all over the world.”But an analysis of photos and videos of the strike posted to social media suggests that story may be wrong.Instead, evidence analyzed by a research team of missile experts appears to show the missile’s warhead flew unimpeded over Saudi defenses and nearly hit its target, Riyadh’s airport. The warhead detonated so close to the domestic terminal that customers jumped out of their seats.


Saudi officials did not respond to a request for comment. Some U.S. officials cast doubt on whether the Saudis hit any part of the incoming missile, saying there was no evidence that it had. Instead, they said, the incoming missile body and warhead may have come apart because of its sheer speed and force.The findings show that the Iranian-backed Houthis, once a ragtag group of rebels, have grown powerful enough to strike major targets in Saudi Arabia, possibly shifting the balance of their years-long war. And they underscore longstanding doubts about missile defense technology, a centerpiece of American and allied national defense strategies, particularly against Iran and North Korea.“Governments lie about the effectiveness of these systems. Or they’re misinformed,” said Jeffrey Lewis, an analyst who led the research team, which shared its findings with The New York Times. “And that should worry the hell out of us.”The Missile




















Shooting down Scud missiles is difficult, and governments have wrongly claimed success against them in the past.




















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Arabian SeaThe missile, seen in this video released by the Houthis, is believed to be a Burqan-2, a variant of the Scud missile used throughout the Middle East. It traveled about 600 miles.Saudi and American officials have accused Iran of supplying the Houthis with the missile, a charge that Tehran denies. A recent United Nations report found evidence that the missile had been designed and manufactured by Iran, according to a Security Council diplomat. Reuters first reported the U.N. findings.muteMr. Lewis and the other analysts, based mostly at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies in Monterey, Calif., were skeptical when they heard Saudi Arabia’s claim to have shot it down.Governments have overstated the effectiveness of missile defenses in the past, including against Scuds. During the first Gulf War, the United States claimed a near-perfect record in shooting down Iraqi variants of the Scud. Subsequent analyses found that nearly all the interceptions had failed.Had it failed in Riyadh as well? The researchers scraped social media for anything posted in that area and time frame, looking for clues.The Debris




















The pattern of missile debris littering Riyadh suggests missile defenses either hit the harmless rear section of the missile or missed it entirely.




















Just as the Saudis fired off missile defenses, debris began to fall in downtown Riyadh. Video posted on social media captured one particularly large section, which landed in a parking lot next to the Ibn Khaldun School.muteOther videos show scraps that fell at a handful of other locations clustered in a roughly 500-yard area along a highway.muteSaudi officials said the debris, which appears to belong to a downed Burqan-2, showed a successful shootdown. But an analysis of the debris shows that the warhead components the part of the missile that carries the explosives were missing.
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Composite image by Jeffrey LewisThe missing warhead signaled something important to the analysts: that the missile may have evaded Saudi defenses.The missile, in order to survive the stresses of a roughly 600 mile flight, was almost certainly designed to separate into two pieces once near its target. The tube, which propels the missile for most of its trajectory, falls away. The warhead, smaller and harder to hit, continues toward the target.Burqan 2-H
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This would explain why the debris in Riyadh only appears to consist of the rear tube. And it suggests that the Saudis may have missed the missile, or only hit the tube after it had separated and begun to fall uselessly toward earth.Some U.S. officials said there was no evidence the Saudis had hit the missile. Instead, the debris may have broken up under the pressures of flight. What the Saudis presented as evidence of their successful interception may have simply been the missile ejecting its tube as intended.The Location of the Explosion




















A blast 12 miles away at Riyadh’s airport suggests the warhead continued unimpeded toward its target.




















At around 9 p.m., about the same time debris crashed in Riyadh, a loud bang shook the domestic terminal at Riyadh’s King Khalid International Airport.“There was an explosion at the airport,” a man said in a video taken moments after the bang. He and others rushed to the windows as emergency vehicles streamed onto the runway.muteAnother video, taken from the tarmac, shows the emergency vehicles at the end of the runway. Just beyond them is a plume of smoke, confirming the blast and indicating a likely point of impact.mutA Houthi spokesman said the missile had targeted the airport.There’s another reason the analysts think the warhead flew past the missile defenses. They located the Patriot batteries that fired on the missile, shown in this video, and found that the warhead traveled well over the top of them.muteSaudi officials have said that some debris from the intercepted missile landed at the airport. But it is difficult to imagine how one errant piece could fly 12 miles beyond the rest of the debris, or why it would detonate on impact.
The warhead passed over the Saudi missile defense unit.
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Smoke and ground damage suggest the warhead struck near the airport’s domestic terminal.




















Imagery of the emergency response and a plume of smoke also reveal information about the nature of the impact.A photo of the plume taken from a different location on the tarmac appears consistent with plumes produced by similar missiles, suggesting the explosion was not an errant piece of debris or an unrelated incident.
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By identifying buildings in the photo and video, Mr. Lewis’s team was able to locate the spots from which the images were taken, revealing the precise location of the plume: a few hundred yards off of runway 33R, and about a kilometer from the crowded domestic terminal.King KhalidInternational AirportEmergency vehicles seen on runway
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NORTHImage courtesy of PlanetThe blast was small, and satellite imagery of the airport taken immediately before and after the blast is not detailed enough to capture the crater from the impact, the analysts said.But it does show ground damage from the emergency vehicles, supporting the finding that the warhead hit just off the runway.While the Houthis missed their target, Mr. Lewis said, they got close enough to show that their missiles can reach it and can evade Saudi defenses. “A kilometer is a pretty normal miss rate for a Scud,” he said.Even the Houthis may not have realized their success, Mr. Lewis said. Unless they had intelligence sources at the airport, they would have little reason to doubt official reports.“The Houthis got very close to creaming that airport,” he said.Laura Grego, a missile expert at the Union of Concerned Scientists, expressed alarm that Saudi defense batteries had fired five times at the incoming missile."You shoot five times at this missile and they all miss? That's shocking,” she said. “That's shocking because this system is supposed to work.”
I think this is a very pertinent article, especially in regard to the perceived threats from both Iran, DPRK and Russia. The west are spending countless billions on ABM defence yet their is little evidence to suggest these actually work. Indeed any detailed anlysis of such systems puts the one guarding Moscow as the only one with even a glimmer of a chance at working - this is onlydue to the fact it is armed with a low yeild nuclear warhead. Mathematically speaking the defenses used by Washington are awful, they rely on a kinetic kill vehicle that has about as much chance as hitting the target [let alone destroying it] as me winning the lottery each month for the rest of my life.I guess my main take away from this article is that the west is still misguided in putting its faith in ABM technology which is either untested in battlefield conditions [such as the GMB/THAAD] or has an appalling record of success [such as the Patriot]. It has yet to be proven as having any tangible benefit really relative to the fortune spent on it.What does everybody thoughts on this? Should we be divesting ourselves away from this dubious shield or do you think my analysis is mistaken?
It certainly wouldn't surprise me if the system didn't work. Sometimes you can blame training as well as the equipment - militaries in the Middle East aren't exactly the best trained in the world, apart from maybe Israel, but the KSA has been spending a lot on military hardware recently.

The real concern for me personally is that, even if you do succeed in destroying a ballistic missile with an interceptor missile, the cost of the latter, especially if it is fired in salvos which is very likely, will cost far more than the offensive missile. It'd be very easy for such a system to be overwhelmed. It does seem like ship based systems often have more success - the Aegis system on Arleigh Burke class Destroyers has a formidable reputation - but the ABM capability isn't tested in combat.

Until direct energy weapons, which cost much, much less to fire compared to a missile are brought online then the attacker will continue to have the advantage in this area.
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Original post by Tempest II
It certainly wouldn't surprise me if the system didn't work. Sometimes you can blame training as well as the equipment - militaries in the Middle East aren't exactly the best trained in the world, apart from maybe Israel, but the KSA has been spending a lot on military hardware recently.

The real concern for me personally is that, even if you do succeed in destroying a ballistic missile with an interceptor missile, the cost of the latter, especially if it is fired in salvos which is very likely, will cost far more than the offensive missile. It'd be very easy for such a system to be overwhelmed. It does seem like ship based systems often have more success - the Aegis system on Arleigh Burke class Destroyers has a formidable reputation - but the ABM capability isn't tested in combat.

Until direct energy weapons, which cost much, much less to fire compared to a missile are brought online then the attacker will continue to have the advantage in this area.


Indeed, this is the problem the IDF have found in Gaza and particularly with Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon where their various systems, such as Iron Dome and Davids sling, can simply be overwhelmed by a massive barrage of cheap expendable rockets. I mean how much does a battery of interceptor missiles cost relative to an array of Ballistic missiles and rockets. Hezbollah were exceptionally successful in their campaign using such tactics at minimal cost whilst the Israelis paid a formidable price in trying to shoot them down.
I mean in the future it could potentially be a formidable system but at present it's quite literally hit or miss, tending towards the latter. And as you said DEW's are commercially a long way off and prohibitively expensive at present at any rate.
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you guys have too much free time...
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Original post by Napp
The west are spending countless billions on ABM defence yet their is little evidence to suggest these actually work.


There's a point in the history of everything where it did not work.

Those things only got to the point of working because money was spent on them.


Spending money on projects is not a sign of weakness.
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Original post by Drewski
There's a point in the history of everything where it did not work.

Those things only got to the point of working because money was spent on them.


Spending money on projects is not a sign of weakness.


If you read further on I said it could potentially in future be a formidable system
However using the arguement that at one point or another everything did not work is somewhat farcical.. at one point people toyed with the idea of firing rockets to the moon with coal, that doesnt mean investing huge amounts in the system is worth while
It might not be a sign of weakness but throwing good money after bad is a sign of idiocy, its a generally established fact among most analysts that interceptor missiles are simply not particularly effective nor are they justified by their cost. The idea has been toyed with for over half a century and to be honest we still arent much closer to a battle capable system.

Original post by epi_
you guys have too much free time...


Do be quiet.

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