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Non-law conversion route options - SQE, Law MA vs. LLM - help!

Hiya,

I am currently an undergraduate at the University of Bristol doing English in my 2nd year. I want to convert to law via the new SQE route but I am keen on doing a masters with a conversion course before I try to secure any TC's that fund the SQE.

I am confused by the differences between an MA in Law and an LLM. I know one is a masters of art and one a masters of law, but which one would be best for me if I am to convert? And with the new SQE route would this be equivalent to the PGDL but with funding?
I want to do a masters mainly for practical career reasons so I feel ready to apply for TC's in a few years, and so anything I study is also government funded. (I know it isn't necessary now with the introduction of the SQE route but I feel it will give me a better chance, coming from a non-law background).

Any recommendations on the best universities for post-graduate law courses would also be appreciated.

Thanks.
Original post by ameliaaa7
Hiya,

I am currently an undergraduate at the University of Bristol doing English in my 2nd year. I want to convert to law via the new SQE route but I am keen on doing a masters with a conversion course before I try to secure any TC's that fund the SQE.

I am confused by the differences between an MA in Law and an LLM. I know one is a masters of art and one a masters of law, but which one would be best for me if I am to convert? And with the new SQE route would this be equivalent to the PGDL but with funding?
I want to do a masters mainly for practical career reasons so I feel ready to apply for TC's in a few years, and so anything I study is also government funded. (I know it isn't necessary now with the introduction of the SQE route but I feel it will give me a better chance, coming from a non-law background).

Any recommendations on the best universities for post-graduate law courses would also be appreciated.

Thanks.

Doing the lpc, with a masters or without, won't make you a better candidate. Just start applying to TCs and vacation schemes now.
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Original post by Gmaster1980
Doing the lpc, with a masters or without, won't make you a better candidate. Just start applying to TCs and vacation schemes now.


Hi, thanks for your reply.

I don't think I will be applying to any TC's that start earlier than 2025 as a non-law student, so in this time I would be able to complete a masters and build my confidence surrounding the area of law, I wouldn't necessarily be losing any time. Would you still say it's better to just not do it?
Original post by ameliaaa7
Hiya,

I am currently an undergraduate at the University of Bristol doing English in my 2nd year. I want to convert to law via the new SQE route but I am keen on doing a masters with a conversion course before I try to secure any TC's that fund the SQE.

I am confused by the differences between an MA in Law and an LLM. I know one is a masters of art and one a masters of law, but which one would be best for me if I am to convert? And with the new SQE route would this be equivalent to the PGDL but with funding?
I want to do a masters mainly for practical career reasons so I feel ready to apply for TC's in a few years, and so anything I study is also government funded. (I know it isn't necessary now with the introduction of the SQE route but I feel it will give me a better chance, coming from a non-law background).

Any recommendations on the best universities for post-graduate law courses would also be appreciated.

Thanks.

Hi Ameliaaa7,

The first thing that helps your decision making about courses, is whether you have decided to become a solicitor or barrister- if you take a Masters which has SQE in the title (for example, MA Law (SQE1)), this will be focused on the route to becoming a solicitor. An MA Law or PDGL will also allow you to become a barrister. If considering the solicitor route, this page is useful: https://www.law.ac.uk/study/postgraduate/sqe/ and I highly recommend reading the frequently asked questions section as they help a lot in understanding the new SQE.

The SQE route is not a PGDL equivalent with funding. You can do a MA Law (SQE1/Conversion) or LLM (General) with a government loan for the Masters. It doesn't matter whether you do either an LLM or a MA Law as a conversion course as long as the course covers the foundations needed to access the next course for the legal route you pick (for example, the Bar Practice Course if becoming a barrister or the next SQE exams if a solicitor). LLMs may offer specialist topics whilst MAs are often more general (but this may vary from provider to provider so check each course separately).

I'm from a non-legal background and am hoping to become a barrister. I took the MA Law and am just about to complete the Bar Practice Course. I have a pupillage to go to in October (pupillage is the barrister equivalent of a training contract).

I'm normally on here about once a week, so if you have any questions either DM or ask here and I'll try and help (or one of the other ambassadors will jump on if not).

All the best,
Nic
Student Ambassador at the University of Law
Original post by ameliaaa7
Hi, thanks for your reply.

I don't think I will be applying to any TC's that start earlier than 2025 as a non-law student, so in this time I would be able to complete a masters and build my confidence surrounding the area of law, I wouldn't necessarily be losing any time. Would you still say it's better to just not do it?

It is't about losing time, it's just that doing just about anything else is more productive when it comes to getting a training contract in the future.
You probably won’t get onto most llm courses. They are for people with a law degree and then specialise in a certain type of law.

You’d want a masters law conversion course that taught you the 7 core subjects and added a dissertation so you could get funding.
Catherine is right - basically there is a kind of post grad legal; course which is not really a normal proper masters - it is just made that to get the masters student loan funding so not an academic masters you might do after a 3 year LLB. It is a means to state funding. You only have one chance at that state funding after your first degree so don't waste it.

UoL (above) and BPP both have courses with masters (for the funding) and with law teaching and SQE courses. If you are determined not to apply for training contracts during your degree then you probably want a course which is as close to what the good big firms - City Consortium etc are putting non law graduates on - which will be for BPP the PGDL for 2 terms then 1 term SQE1 course and exam etc - there is a diagram at the bottom of this pdf which shows what those firms are putting their future trainees in for - for those with and those without an LLB. https://www.slaughterandmay.com/media/wrtioxgk/city-consortium-ccp-flyer.pdf.

If you are sure you want to be a solicitor not a barrister then UoL and BPP have masters courses. If BPP then their course with masters funding SQE training for non law graduates might be the one for you - https://www.bpp.com/courses/law/postgraduate/sqe/complete-sqe-training - click on SQE training for non law graduates on that link.
Original post by 17Student17
Catherine is right - basically there is a kind of post grad legal; course which is not really a normal proper masters - it is just made that to get the masters student loan funding so not an academic masters you might do after a 3 year LLB. It is a means to state funding. You only have one chance at that state funding after your first degree so don't waste it.

UoL (above) and BPP both have courses with masters (for the funding) and with law teaching and SQE courses. If you are determined not to apply for training contracts during your degree then you probably want a course which is as close to what the good big firms - City Consortium etc are putting non law graduates on - which will be for BPP the PGDL for 2 terms then 1 term SQE1 course and exam etc - there is a diagram at the bottom of this pdf which shows what those firms are putting their future trainees in for - for those with and those without an LLB. https://www.slaughterandmay.com/media/wrtioxgk/city-consortium-ccp-flyer.pdf.

If you are sure you want to be a solicitor not a barrister then UoL and BPP have masters courses. If BPP then their course with masters funding SQE training for non law graduates might be the one for you - https://www.bpp.com/courses/law/postgraduate/sqe/complete-sqe-training - click on SQE training for non law graduates on that link.

I'm at a consortium firm and just want to say that the specific courses and post grad uni won't matter so long as someone does a gdl equivalent and an sqe prep course. Dont want people thinking they have to go to BPP to have a chance, the firm doesn't really care if they aren't the ones paying the bill.
i suppose though only a few people - BPP and Uni of Law do those sort of professional equivalent "masters" - most red Brick uni's only do tradtional LLMs, which need the law degree.

So yes provider doesn't matter as such for that, but not that many do it.
Hi, I’m looking at law conversions as well. It is a minefield. Nic the Uni of law ambassador is well versed. I’ve seen Uni of law will pay back fees if not in employment but there are conditions. I also recommend registering with LLM guide & there’s another one. There are people there who know these things too. Good luck Nathalie
Original post by ameliaaa7
Hiya,

I am currently an undergraduate at the University of Bristol doing English in my 2nd year. I want to convert to law via the new SQE route but I am keen on doing a masters with a conversion course before I try to secure any TC's that fund the SQE.

I am confused by the differences between an MA in Law and an LLM. I know one is a masters of art and one a masters of law, but which one would be best for me if I am to convert? And with the new SQE route would this be equivalent to the PGDL but with funding?
I want to do a masters mainly for practical career reasons so I feel ready to apply for TC's in a few years, and so anything I study is also government funded. (I know it isn't necessary now with the introduction of the SQE route but I feel it will give me a better chance, coming from a non-law background).

Any recommendations on the best universities for post-graduate law courses would also be appreciated.

Thanks.

I am doing the pgdip in law at kcl, 1 year program . I looked into this last year so I can sympathize with how complicated it is! Unfortunately, or fortunately depending how you look at it, since the new sqe, every university is offering a different program. I think the biggest difference is probably how fast you go. The old gdl, which is the equivalent to my pgdip , is 2 years of the llb in one year, so it’s a lot more intense than an llb. Some of the llm and ma law programs actually just do the first two years of the llb but at a higher grading level in order to call it post grad. Have a look at the sqe syllabus and compare it with the modules offered by the r program. Most of the new programs will cater to the sqe in some way, but not 100%. You can always take another test prep course from Barbri, after completing 1-2 years of study.
Original post by ameliaaa7
Hiya,

I am currently an undergraduate at the University of Bristol doing English in my 2nd year. I want to convert to law via the new SQE route but I am keen on doing a masters with a conversion course before I try to secure any TC's that fund the SQE.

I am confused by the differences between an MA in Law and an LLM. I know one is a masters of art and one a masters of law, but which one would be best for me if I am to convert? And with the new SQE route would this be equivalent to the PGDL but with funding?
I want to do a masters mainly for practical career reasons so I feel ready to apply for TC's in a few years, and so anything I study is also government funded. (I know it isn't necessary now with the introduction of the SQE route but I feel it will give me a better chance, coming from a non-law background).

Any recommendations on the best universities for post-graduate law courses would also be appreciated.

Thanks.


You might also be interested to note that the big firms will fund your llm focused on sqe - so you would not need to complete an ma or gdl law before doing that llm, it’s largely the same information. If you already know you want that route you should start applying now and they may pay for your “gdl” now called pgdip or llm law .
All the big firms I have looked at are putting future trainees without an LLB through the PGDL first and then the SQE1 and 2 courses including the City Consortium firms.
As for providers about 80% of future trainees use UoL or BPP.

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