POLL: Should people who retake year 12 still get EMA?

falling_curtain

I wonder if he/she would still be your mate if they read this?

lol yeh he would and he would laugh. He knows i moan about EMA and he's pretty chilled out.

Reply 21

Musty_Elbow

Varciani

Why would it be money down the drain? Just because they had to retake doesn't mean they wasted their money - you never know the reasons why people chose to retake. I know people who have to retake because they didn't know they had to pick a certain subject for their Uni course, or people who messed up in their exams because of family or health issues.

EMA is for anyone in post-16 education, so anyone should be able to get it!

Only poor people get it.

You know people who had to retake becasue they didnt know they had to pick a certain subject? Well its not the taxpayers responsibilty to pay that person for making a mistake.

Why should you pay someone, when they are receiving something that is of benefit to them. Why does nobody believe in personal responsibility anymore? People also get university far too cheap.

Reply 22

aerob89

9

i think EMA was just an attempt of the government at trolling; a very successful one in fact. think how much lulz has been had due to the daily/hourly EMA threads.

Reply 23

blueberrymuffin

mattbroon

So you think its fair that somebody working in a supermarket is helping to pay for you to go on a trip to africa? For which the primary beneficiary is you.

It is not other people's responsibility to pay you a salary for something only you're benefitting from.

Whilst I admit that I will be gaining from the trip, I strongly disagree that I will be the only one benifiting. I'm helping on a healthcare trip and as part of that we're (amongst other things) going to some different schools and doing a de-worming scheme - so tell me that those kids aren't benifitting.

To help fund this trip, I've also been doing fundraising and I've had a part-time job the whole year. So, whatever, think of it in the context that EMA has helped me get through school so I didn't have to spend my work money on it. Therefore my work money has gone on my trip.

Just excuse me for not 'categorising' what money I do get :rolleyes:

It's not like I'm just using it to go buy alcohol every weekend

Reply 24

HannahRos

I disagree with the EMA the way it stands atm but I don't disagree with people doing a third year. I did because I had teachers without degrees and was told I was getting A's up until the April/May by which time it was a bit late to re-learn the whole course. I know others who had their course cancelled after the first year and had to do 3 years by no fault of their own. It depends on your view on EMA in general anyway not whether the person does three years in college.

Reply 25

Aramiss18

But surely even if they failed and worked really hard they've proved incapable of doing A-Levels so giving them money again is likely to be just as wasteful as it was the first year.

If they got good enough grades to do A levels in the first place and work really hard it's unlikely that they will get all Us (an E is technically a pass y'know). If they have worked hard and have good attendence (which I can't emphasise enough, in my college if you have 3 unauthorised absences ie. 1 min late and then locked out of 3 lessons, go get no more EMA for that term) they deserve EMA.

If they get all Es, oh well that is still an A level and to them it may be a massive achievement especially if they have learning difficulties or a disability.

Reply 26

DJkG.1

17

jklmn

socialism, ffs I hate it, no-one on ema I know is clever enough to get into uni, and I'm sure most aren't, so why are they encouraged to be in education post 16? Sorry to people who genuinly need it but most are wasters, or exploiting a loophole in the system.

The government know that - they just don't want to see unemployment registers shoot up in number, especially with the recession.

If you think about it, Labour as the State is rich enough with all the money it's stolen from hard-working people to pay idiot kids £30 a week to stay out of the unemployment list... ignoring the burden on the schools and students who actually want to learn. :rolleyes:

Reply 27

inksplodge

17

cardine92

People can fail for any number of reasons. If they just didn't bother and had zero attendence they wouldn't get EMA anyway.

This. In order to get EMA at my college you have to attend every lesson. You're allowed a maximum of two authorised absences... So...

Reply 28

Aramiss18

OP

Varciani

Why would it be money down the drain? Just because they had to retake doesn't mean they wasted their money - you never know the reasons why people chose to retake. I know people who have to retake because they didn't know they had to pick a certain subject for their Uni course, or people who messed up in their exams because of family or health issues.

EMA is for anyone in post-16 education, so anyone should be able to get it!

Because the government gave them money and they didnt succeed. Its like a plumber taking moeny for a job then sodding off home.

Its only "their money" because the government gave it to them with the understanding that they would use it to support their education and succedd - which they haven't.

Health issues and family issues are considered by the exam boards.

So they messed up and didnt do their research - why should the tax payer pay for their mistakes which they may do again.

Reply 29

Varciani

mattbroon

Only poor people get it.

You know people who had to retake becasue they didnt know they had to pick a certain subject? Well its not the taxpayers responsibilty to pay that person for making a mistake.

Why should you pay someone, when they are receiving something that is of benefit to them. Why does nobody believe in personal responsibility anymore? People also get university far too cheap.

Yeah, my mistake, I forgot that.

But the taxpayer don't pay for EMA, the students parents do. It comes out of the tax/wages that they get (can't remember what one). You don't pay, as a taxpayer, so someone's EMA anywhere.

And how can you refer to people who get EMA as 'poor people'?!?! You pompous upper class.... jesus...

Reply 30

mattbroon

So you think its fair that somebody working in a supermarket is helping to pay for you to go on a trip to africa? For which the primary beneficiary is you.

If your parent(s) work in a supermarket then it's quite likely you will recieve EMA so yes.

Reply 31

Musty_Elbow

blueberrymuffin

Whilst I admit that I will be gaining from the trip, I strongly disagree that I will be the only one benifiting. I'm helping on a healthcare trip and as part of that we're (amongst other things) going to some different schools and doing a de-worming scheme - so tell me that those kids aren't benifitting.

To help fund this trip, I've also been doing fundraising and I've had a part-time job the whole year. So, whatever, think of it in the context that EMA has helped me get through school so I didn't have to spend my work money on it. Therefore my work money has gone on my trip.

Just excuse me for not 'categorising' what money I do get :rolleyes:

It's not like I'm just using it to go buy alcohol every weekend

Of course your not the only one benefitting, but why should it be your choice how to best use other people's money? You haven't earned that money. All you have done is turn up to school; although you have probably worked hard at school to get good grades; agina this only benefits you!

So you didn't have to spend your work money on school? School is free. And why should you receive money to stay in school and I not? It's not other people's responsibility to pay for your trips.

Reply 32

Melting Sugar.

LOL well considering the vast majority of TSR users HATE EMA in general i'm hardly surprised by the current results of the poll.

Maybe you should have changed it to "I get/got EMA and I think yes/no" or "I don't/didn't get EMA and I think yes/no" and then set the poll to public for slighty better results :holmes:

Reply 33

inksplodge

17

mattbroon

Of course your not the only one benefitting, but why should it be your choice how to best use other people's money? You haven't earned that money. All you have done is turn up to school; although you have probably worked hard at school to get good grades; agina this only benefits you!

So you didn't have to spend your work money on school? School is free. And why should you receive money to stay in school and I not? It's not other people's responsibility to pay for your trips.

Have you ever lived in a household earning less than £20k a year? No? Then shut up. You have NO RIGHT to make people receiving EMA feel guilty about it.

Reply 34

inksplodge

This. In order to get EMA at my college you have to attend every lesson. You're allowed a maximum of two authorised absences... So...

Snap

Reply 35

Aramiss18

OP

cardine92

If your parent(s) work in a supermarket then it's quite likely you will recieve EMA so yes.

His point is "do you think its fair that people who do not earn much and have a rubbish/boring job pay taxes for you to go to africa? (which the worker will certainly not be able to afford for his/herself).

But still, you think its fair the state pays for someone to go on holiday just because their parents have bad jobs/live on benfits? I think thats unfair on the hard working people who pay taxes yet dont get to go to africa which is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Reply 36

diamonddust

15

Melting Sugar.

LOL well considering the vast majority of TSR users HATE EMA in general i'm hardly surprised by the current results of the poll.

Maybe you should have changed it to "I get/got EMA and I think yes/no" or "I don't/didn't get EMA and I think yes/no" and then set the poll to public for slighty better results :holmes:

Just so you know.... I HATE YOU! :p:

Well not really obvs :smile:

, but every time I see one of your posts, you make me lose the Game. And I just lost it again!

I think people who retake year 12 should get EMA.

Reply 37

mattbroon

Of course your not the only one benefitting, but why should it be your choice how to best use other people's money? You haven't earned that money. All you have done is turn up to school; although you have probably worked hard at school to get good grades; agina this only benefits you!

So you didn't have to spend your work money on school? School is free. And why should you receive money to stay in school and I not? It's not other people's responsibility to pay for your trips.

All you've done is been born in a family lucky enough to earn more than £30K a year.

For some people this money is a lifeline, without which despite being clever and hardworking would not be able to continue their education and get a good job so that their kids won't have to get EMA in the future.

Reply 38

Waterstorm

16

I don't get why so many people have the idea of people getting EMA, seriously.. a lot of the time it really helps people when it comes to having the right resources. I get EMA, and I probably woudn't have a few things that would have generally helped me if I didn't. All you lot who don't get EMA and say "my parents won't give me £30 a week, so they shouldn't get it either" are being far too selfish. I hardly get money from my mum, mainly cause she can't afford it, she's a single mother with 2 children.. trust me, having EMA can help.

Reply 39

Musty_Elbow