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Is it more difficult to obtain a 2:1 from a better university?

Hi

Is it more difficult to get a 2:1 in Business Management at UCL for example, than a 2:1 for the very same course at Queen Mary?

(i don't actually know if these universities actually offer this course but my question is just whether it is harder to obtain a particular degree class in the SAME subject at a more prestigious university)

Thanks!

ya

Same thread, different name. We had one of these yesterday for christ sake.

Reply 3

ChemistBoy

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I wish the mods would be a little bit more proactive in police the vast and rapid repetition of the same subjects in this forum. This has been an issue in GUD for years yet nothing is done about it.

Reply 4

Miranda

OP

i'm really sorry about that, i have tried to search for this question because I know somebody probably asked this before, but i wasn't able to. sorry

Reply 5

hobnob

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ChemistBoy

I wish the mods would be a little bit more proactive in police the vast and rapid repetition of the same subjects in this forum. This has been an issue in GUD for years yet nothing is done about it.

So what do you suggest that we do, then? Create one huge "Are some degrees worth more than others" thread and keep merging into it, despite the fact that no-one will actually bother to read through sixty pages' worth of previous posts and just continue to repeat the same drivel? :dontknow:

Reply 6

Kalashnikov

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Of course. I thought something like this would be obvious.

Reply 7

ChemistBoy

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hobnob

So what do you suggest that we do, then? Create one huge "Are some degrees worth more than others" thread and keep merging into it, despite the fact that no-one will actually bother to read through sixty pages' worth of previous posts and just continue to repeat the same drivel?

To be honest that really isn't the only solution, but if you start acting on this people start getting the message. It is not the fact that people start these threads that is the problem it is the fact that they are allowed to rumble on with no new arguments being raised and the same old bickering being conducted. I don't know many special interest forums where the rapid repetition of subjects would be tolerated without merging of threads. It is not difficult to see that even in a period of a few hours the same issues on academic quality between institutions, job prospects and leage tables are raised several times by different users. The problem is that there seem to be more inexperience people here willing to give out bad advice than the opposite - it hardly helps anyone to just allow the status quo to continue really.

Reply 8

Deano88

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Is this really not obvious to people. It baffles me why this question, in its various forms, is asked constantly.

Reply 9

0404343m

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I agree with CB- merging isn't ideal, but its a whole lot better than allowing the A-Level students to come on and profess what they know about higher education to others genuinely seeking advice. It doesn't help anyone in the long term.

Reply 10

prospectivEEconomist

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Yes if its a traditional course like economics/history/maths, and no if its an accredited course like engineering.

Reply 11

0404343m

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The post above proves my point rather succinctly, I feel.

Reply 12

hobnob

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ChemistBoy

To be honest that really isn't the only solution, but if you start acting on this people start getting the message.

Would they, though? I think the main reason why we do get so many of those threads isn't that individual people are obsessed with asking the question (apart from a few notable exceptions) but that there's an endless influx of new ignorant teenagers who all have the same questions.

It is not the fact that people start these threads that is the problem it is the fact that they are allowed to rumble on with no new arguments being raised and the same old bickering being conducted. I don't know many special interest forums where the rapid repetition of subjects would be tolerated without merging of threads. It is not difficult to see that even in a period of a few hours the same issues on academic quality between institutions, job prospects and leage tables are raised several times by different users.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to merge the threads, I'm just not convinced that it would achieve anything. For example, we've had the "are my GCSEs/A-levels good enough?" thread in the Oxbridge forum for years and we keep merging into it. Does that prevent people from asking the same silly questions over and over again in all sorts of different forums? No.

The problem is that there seem to be more inexperience people here willing to give out bad advice than the opposite - it hardly helps anyone to just allow the status quo to continue really.

I absolutely agree about the endless supply of inexperienced people airing their views and I'm just as unenthusiastic about it as you are, but mass-merging threads won't make them more knowledgeable.

Reply 13

jakemittle

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hobnob

So what do you suggest that we do, then? Create one huge "Are some degrees worth more than others" thread and keep merging into it, despite the fact that no-one will actually bother to read through sixty pages' worth of previous posts and just continue to repeat the same drivel? :dontknow:

Then just dont answer it...go to another thread that is different...gee.. :s-smilie:

Reply 14

User182034

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I think if you don't like the thread or have answered similar recently don't read it or don't post there. Obviously people have the same questions but someone who hasn't responded before may want to contribute to the discussion. It's better than having huge stickies for everything that you can't do anything with. If everyone in life couldn't get an answer just because it's been answered before what the heck would happen.

To the OP, in theory work with the same mark should be the same standard. However, it may be more difficult to obtain a high mark at some unversities perhaps due to the scope of the course. If a wide area is covered in the first year in order for students to specialise they have to cover this wider area. Whereas others my focus in depth on a certain area from year one which might make it a bit easier when it comes to later assessed work. Hope that makes some sense...

Reply 15

hobnob

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0404343m

I agree with CB- merging isn't ideal, but its a whole lot better than allowing the A-Level students to come on and profess what they know about higher education to others genuinely seeking advice. It doesn't help anyone in the long term.

Much as I would sometimes like to, I can't censor people for ignorance, though. I can merge the threads if you think there's a faint chance of it improving matters, but I can't remove posts just because their posters evidently don't know what they're talking about.

Reply 16

0404343m

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Why not create an FAQ then with words to the effect of: In theory, they're marked at the same standard and externals verify the quality. However, there is ongoing debate as to how equal they all are, with the debate about CCC students hitting the same standard as AAA ones. But, because very few people will be able to objectively say that the level is the same across the board, then its nigh on impossible to answer. Academics say the standards are upheld, but employers seem to value certain places more, irrespective of newspaper league ranking. Since its then a 'what-if' question that can't really be answered at any degree of accuracy, being that it is impossible to know if a 2:1 student at University X wouldn't have done better/worse in University Y because of academic standards, or merely the environment/social setting, then the debate should be stopped before it goes round in circles.

That, essentially, is the answer to all of these debates, so I don't see why that can't be made clear at the top of the fora.

Reply 17

MrShifty

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hobnob

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to merge the threads, I'm just not convinced that it would achieve anything. For example, we've had the "are my GCSEs/A-levels good enough?" thread in the Oxbridge forum for years and we keep merging into it. Does that prevent people from asking the same silly questions over and over again in all sorts of different forums? No.

True, although a side benefit of merging is that it limits the chances of such threads dominating a particular subforum from times to time. An alternative strategy with the same aim would be to close repeat threads when they appear and refer to a Faq or sticky.

I absolutely agree about the endless supply of inexperienced people airing their views and I'm just as unenthusiastic about it as you are, but mass-merging threads won't make them more knowledgeable.

I agree with this, and pretty much nothing short of direct experience has even a chance at correcting their misconceptions. Even arguments from those who know better will be dismissed as some kind of ideologically motivated distortion, so obsessed are many with their own prejudice. The only remaining option for dealing with them is ruthless mockery and thread derails of gigantic proportions.

Reply 18

Miranda

OP

I asked only because I've read in some other threads that a first (or 2:1) from somewhere like Queen Mary/London Met would be worth just as much as a first (or 2:1) from some Russell Group uni. I personally thought this couldn't be the case because my friends from Russell group unis seem to get much more difficult work than those from the lesser unis.