Sex, Virginity and Men

Why are you still insulting me? You know I am dominant. You are acting just like a woman in childish argument mode, proving my point.



Your entire post is childish insults.

"Act like you hold a certain set of beliefs" (That someone should be your virgin better half) "whilst not really adhering to them" (You didn't like being the virgin better half to your first girlfriend). But sure, it's jealousy too.



Oh, yeah that'll be because I speak modern English, as do you. You see, we attribute a meaning to foreign phrases when we amalgamate them in to language. For example piece de resistance literally taken means piece of resistance, but as you may be aware that's not the usage. If you goggle these words you can find out for future.



As I said, was an honest observation, so I'm glad you weren't.



I must admit fault there, when you pontificated on your ethos I couldn't imagine that you could have the views you do while still being happy to not adhere yourself.



I'm not angry, I'm finding this slightly amusing by now.



"you are not very bright. Everything you've said has been drastically unintelligent"
Pot. Kettle. Black.



I think you're right. The symptoms are an overweening sense of equality between people regardless of their past. I think I should get myself checked out.


Anyway, much as that was a bit of a laugh, I'm stopping now. I'm sure you've got plenty more to say, but I can't be bothered any longer. Good luck finding your virgin drone.

I meant show me how a woman who is having sex safely and freely shows a lack of self control.

Says it all really

What does it say?

Time and again, people write up posts full of pertinent arguments and questions that you aren't really equipped to answer, and you dismiss them out of hand as "childish insults" or "womanish arguing" so you don't have to actually deal with them. Why even make the thread if you're not prepared to defend your points?

Maybe of your generation. But that is a sad new reality rather than a neutral change.

Well, as I told you in that PM, the data which I quoted controlled for religiosity/liberal values. In fact, the blogger who commented on the data analysis is secular, and frankly, I am not religious. These are just analyses and comments on empirical observation. Here is where traditional societies, with their generations of observation, had the upper hand.

Sexual freedom has also led to the destruction of your race through plummeting birth rates. There won't be many indigenous people around for much longer, the way things are going.

No, of course it didn't. It led to a suppression of animalistic tendencies so we could focus on greater pursuits: civilisation, prosperity, technology. How many lothario scientists do you find? Self discipline, including sexual self discipline, is at the core of most worthy men's success (even if they do not match a capitalist definition of success).

A lot of women have sex because they are insecure. Without an orgasm sex it crap for most women

Did you read the statistics?

Most honour killings are against men. Anything else is frankly irrelevant, so just take that away from the article. Further, this supports my view and strongly contradicts yours that women are held up to a higher standard of honour than men are. If anything, it is the opposite. In general, males receive higher prison sentences for exactly the same crimes. You can google that.

So the idea that men are praised for being immoral is the recent result of the sexual revolution, not the cause of it.

Yeah of course I would repeat it because it's what I believe, polyamory simply means "many lovers" and monogamy means "one lover" to me serial monogamy is many lovers and a polyamorous lifestyle. I know that monogamy can typically be used to describe people who dont sleep with others only whilst they are together but have a list of exes, but I dont class that as real monogamy. When you think about it, it isnt. And also to me it doesnt make a whole lot of sense to claim that it's ok for your partner to sleep with other people but not whilst theyre with you... so then if their sexual past isnt a problem why demand them not to have sex with other people whilst they are with you? Insecurity? you fear them liking their other partners more and in truth you really dont like their past but you can try to ignore it? Or if there is no genuine problem with their past I dont see why to demand them not to sleep with others from this point onwards. Generally when you demand someone to stop doing something it's something you dont like.

About the other stuff, yes I was idealistic, it's kind of ruined now, I honestly dont know what to think about it all now, but I was writing why I would have preferred a virgin since someone asked, so I gave my reasons (before they randomly resorted to calling me a moron and stuff). I dont want to control someones actions I never wrote that in my reasons of why I prefer what I do!

There are 8 pages in this thread. I would hope you read through all of them to arrive at a judgement on my posts in the entire thread before making a generalised post.

Generally calling someone who disagrees with you an evil woman hater is regarded as a childish insult. If I am calling out childish insults, it's because most of the people disagreeing are doing so with childish insults. If your standard retort is "MISOGYNIST!!!" then you're not presenting much of an argument.

I wondered what the hell that PM was about.

I don't see religiosity mentioned in the post anywhere other than in the comments, where all the author says is that it's correlated with lower divorce rates. Which is to be expected. The blog post itself doesn't talk about causation, just points out correlations. That I've dealt with.

The abstract to the study doesn't mention religiosity either. Can't access the full version.

Not quite sure what you mean when you say the blogger's secular (though he says so in the blog's tagline) but he is Catholic. Not that that's particularly relevant.

I know a number of scientists, many of whom are complete hound dogs. Lazy stereotyping isn't the way forward there.

Unlike you (apparently) I don't see change as inherently a bad thing. It is of little consequence what the racial balance of the population is in this country, although I do think that Islam conflicts with some of our more valuable cultural values.

I think you'll find the insults that you are constantly doling out in this thread are what you like to call 'childish'. I recall you describing one poster as arguing in a 'womanish' manner. No one here except you has actually insulted you; in fact, they have called you out on being unable to defend the points you have been making. Your inability to present an argument effectively really undermines whatever you're trying to get at here.

Anyway, re what some of the other posters are saying in this thread, it is important to remember that while, yes, you may have your own preferences, others' preferences will differ. It is not up to you to argue that they are immoral. It is not up to you to lump all women who enjoy and partake in casual sex as 'sluts' who have 'lack of self control'. The fact of the matter is our society nowadays is a lot more accepting, and yes we are equal to you, despite what you may think. Our genetic makeup is different, we have different qualities, but one cannot survive without the other. I really doubt that you will find anybody worth having a relationship with if they accept your blatant misogyny as truth.

Whether a woman is a virgin or not does not define her. It does not overshadow the other qualities she may have, and nor should it.

It says that we won't see eye to eye on this

It was never "demanded", in fact I never even asked, it's assumed. Jealousy is definitely a reason, I mean I used to think I wanted an open relationship, but I would not be comfortable with her seeing other guys, and I don't want to hurt her by seeing other girls. She didn't "demand" anything either, but I don't want to hurt the girl I love. I feel we have made that commitment. I don't see anything wrong with mutually agreeing things as a couple when you've made that commitment to each other, but trying to control someone's behaviour before you've even met them is a bit crazy.

What's sad is it kind of sounds like you think you're devalued as a human being. You've had sex, you're no more or less attractive, intelligent, funny or whatever else than before. And neither are the women you're discounting for having had sex.

I will think whatever I want of you. If my opinion matters to you so much, then change your behaviour and so will my opinion.

I like how you respond as if you have any idea who I am or how I deal with casual sex myself. The arrogance is just astounding.

I was obviously referring to the plural you, as you referred to the plural we, of women.

By "womanlike" arguments, I meant what you've just exhibited, making everything into personal insults. Generally I've found that it is women who resort to such argument techniques.

Well, I'll put my hands up and willingly admit that it didn't come across like that, so I apologise for reacting in the way I did.

But oh boy, you are going all out with the generalisations today.