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Reply 20
krisblade
I never noticed but it was due to Barts sending a generic email with links, which when I checked answered the question so I quoted the website, and then someone from QMUL also sent me a response a week later. You can delete the QMUL as the Barts is straight off the website.


Cool, will do :smile:
I'll chip into this as well, i also did such a thing back in 2008 august.
I am just gonna add in ones that krisblade missed out, or have conflicting information:

Missed:

KCL - We would never advise potential applicants to start a degree with the intention of leaving it, it does not look very positive on a UCAS application and to apply to medicine you need as competitive application as possible. Subsequently if you are considering medicine then you should either complete your degree and apply as a graduate to our 4 year programme or take a gap year and apply from September for 2009 entry.

UCL - I am afraid that it is not the policy of UCL Medical School to consider students who have failed to complete a course for transfer or for admission to the first year of the Medical degree programme at UCL. Candidates currently holding offers elsewhere or who take up a place through Clearing should be aware that if they are formally placed on a degree programme, they will be expected to complete it, obtaining at least a 2.1 in their degree, and will not be eligible for application to this School until their last year of study. Additionally, although the School expects that some candidates will also apply for non-medical degree programmes due to the pressure on places, sometimes with a view to applying as a graduate, we would not look favourably on any candidate who, once placed on another degree programme, decides to reapply for medicine in the following year and does not withdraw their application via UCAS. Failing to take up a place on another programme deprives another more committed candidate of a place and wastes the time and effort of admissions staff.

Liverpool - We would not consider you whilst you were on another degree programme.

HYMS - Thank you for your email and your interest in HYMS. If you start the degree at another university you must complete it before applying to medical school (you can apply in your final year of the course if you are predicted a 2:1).

Conflicting information:

Newcastle - You could submit an application to study medicine at Newcastle, but if you decide to start another degree the University would advise you to continue and finish the degree then apply as a graduate with your degree classification as your entry requirement.
If you have no intention of completing the degree, Newcastle would advise you not to start the degree, apply using your A levels as your entry qualification and use the next year as a gap year.

Glasgow - If you chose to commence another degree programme other than medicine you can apply through UCAS and have your application considered. However, please note that priority will be given to applicants who are school leavers, graduates or completing access courses.
Reply 22
billykwok
I'll chip into this as well, i also did such a thing back in 2008 august.
I am just gonna add in ones that krisblade missed out, or have conflicting information:


Thanks for the missing ones :smile: Some uni's are hopeless at replying to their emails. In regards to conflicting information, you did this a while back so there policy may have changed? All I can say is what the uni emailed me direclty, but they have been known to say one thing and do another.
Reply 23
Just going to add that I contacted brithyon and Sussex for feedback and they informed me this was an option, it's what made me google up this thread as I realised this was an actual option. Give me a sec to find the exact words.

"2. Again with the right A level grades, progress to a BSc degree, but
you can still apply to some medical schools (e.g. BSMS) in your first
year on the basis of the A levels you have already achieved. You will be
at university, so you won't have the gap year plans to help, but just
having the A level grades in hand rather than predicted grades will help
many candidates."
krisblade
There has been a lot of debate about whether universities would accept those on the first year of another degree. I personally thought most wouldn't. Out of curiosity, I emailed the universities with the following email to see who in fact does accept it:

“Dear Admission Tutor,

In regards to admissions, what would be the position of your university for an applicant that applies to your medical school whilst studying for the first year of a non-medical undergraduate degree at another university? For example someone studying the first year of a biomedical degree, which would require them to leave this course to join yours. Would their application be accepted or affected in anyway compared to someone who is in their final year of sixth form or on a gap year?”


Any universities not listed below either never replied or sent a generic response that in fact did not answer the question at all, lol. I sent this originally in Febuary, and I am still getting responses... Some uni's are very slow at answering. It turns out quite a few universities are willing to consider those on a degree, and I put it up here for future reference of those considering this route. Yes, I know this is random, but curiosity got the better of me. THose in red said no, those in green said yes.

Keele “We regret that we do not consider applications from students on degree courses in other subjects who wish to transfer without first completing their degree.”

Edinburgh “We would not normally encourage an application from anyone who was currently on-course and was not due to complete their qualification in the year of application.”

Leeds - “At Leeds we do discourage applicants from starting out on another degree course if they intend to apply for medicine. The reasons for this is that it is not fair to other applicants who may have been rejected for that course and it also isn’t fair to the course the student is on as they are losing students elsewhere.
We do advise that applicants who have commenced another degree course should complete that course and then apply as a graduate applicant for medicine.”

Bristol “Applicants who embark on a degree course are
expected to complete their degree and then apply as a graduate.”

UEA “We do not accept applications from candidates who are in the first year of a degree elsewhere.”

Manchester - “We only consider undergraduates applying a the start of their final year with a minimum 2.1 degree prediction”

Nottingham “We do not accept applications from students who are already on a course and we would require that an applicant has withdrawn from any previous degree course... An applicant would need to have a strong personal statement that is backed up with relevant proof to show their motivation for a career in medicine that was not there when they applied for a different degree.”

Aberdeen “Our usual advice in these circumstances is to complete the current degree to at least 2:1 Honours level and then apply for graduate entry to Medicine.”

Cambridge “Please note that the Cambridge Colleges will not normally, as a matter of principle, consider applications from students attending other UK universities applying to study the same or a very similar subject at Cambridge.
If you wish to make such an application, it will have to be strongly supported by your tutor at your current university... If you wish to apply to Cambridge to study a different subject from the one you are currently studying at university, we would assume that had had a change of heart and no longer wish to study the subject you are currently pursuing. In this case your application would be considered, but would still need strong support from your current university tutor.”

Barts “The School of Medicine and Dentistry does not accept applicants who have not completed their degree courses... You must work to finish your degree course and apply via UCAS for either the five year or graduate entry programme.”



Imperial “We would consider someone who is already registered on another degree elsewhere; you would need to explain the choice to change the degree in your personal statement so that the shortlisters can determine your commitment to Medicine.”

Pennisula “The fact that you will be leaving a degree course would not be detrimental to any application that you send to us. As you are still in the first year of your degree, your application would be judged on your A level results and UKCAT score... Alternatively, if you have signed on to the second year of your degree you would need to apply as a non-direct school leaver and would be required to sit GAMSAT”

Newcastle “Just because they have left one programme would not necessarily disadvantage them during the selection process, however, they would be expected to outline why they felt they didn't want to complete their course.”

Leicester “We would consider an application from a student in the first year of another course.”

St Andrews “We consider applicants who have studied for one year in another university course (but not two years), however they are assessed on the basis of their school performance - they would be competing with other school leavers.”

Oxford “Admissions tutors at Oxford are concerned only with selecting the most academically able students with the most potential to excel in their studies here. As a result, your being a student at another institution will not directly affect your application in any way; however, you will b expected to demonstrate a consistently excellent academic record, and thus they may ask to see transcripts from your university studies.”

Soton “Provided you meet the academic entry requirements, it will be fine for you to apply.”

Cardiff “This would not affect the status of your application.”

Sheffield “There is nothing stopping a candidate applying here whilst doing a degree. However, we would not encourage anyone to drop out of a degree.

Glasgow “Applications from applicants, who have commenced a degree programme other than medicine, can apply through UCAS and have their application considered, providing they meet entry requirements. We would not take the first year of the degree programme into consideration as this does not meet our entry requirements



Oh My God- do you know if they would consider someone without A'Levels?
krisblade
There has been a lot of debate about whether universities would accept those on the first year of another degree. I personally thought most wouldn't. Out of curiosity, I emailed the universities with the following email to see who in fact does accept it:

“Dear Admission Tutor,

In regards to admissions, what would be the position of your university for an applicant that applies to your medical school whilst studying for the first year of a non-medical undergraduate degree at another university? For example someone studying the first year of a biomedical degree, which would require them to leave this course to join yours. Would their application be accepted or affected in anyway compared to someone who is in their final year of sixth form or on a gap year?”


Any universities not listed below either never replied or sent a generic response that in fact did not answer the question at all, lol. I sent this originally in Febuary, and I am still getting responses... Some uni's are very slow at answering. It turns out quite a few universities are willing to consider those on a degree, and I put it up here for future reference of those considering this route. Yes, I know this is random, but curiosity got the better of me. THose in red said no, those in green said yes.

Keele “We regret that we do not consider applications from students on degree courses in other subjects who wish to transfer without first completing their degree.”

Edinburgh “We would not normally encourage an application from anyone who was currently on-course and was not due to complete their qualification in the year of application.”

Leeds - “At Leeds we do discourage applicants from starting out on another degree course if they intend to apply for medicine. The reasons for this is that it is not fair to other applicants who may have been rejected for that course and it also isn’t fair to the course the student is on as they are losing students elsewhere.
We do advise that applicants who have commenced another degree course should complete that course and then apply as a graduate applicant for medicine.”

Bristol “Applicants who embark on a degree course are
expected to complete their degree and then apply as a graduate.”

UEA “We do not accept applications from candidates who are in the first year of a degree elsewhere.”

Manchester - “We only consider undergraduates applying a the start of their final year with a minimum 2.1 degree prediction”

Nottingham “We do not accept applications from students who are already on a course and we would require that an applicant has withdrawn from any previous degree course... An applicant would need to have a strong personal statement that is backed up with relevant proof to show their motivation for a career in medicine that was not there when they applied for a different degree.”

Aberdeen “Our usual advice in these circumstances is to complete the current degree to at least 2:1 Honours level and then apply for graduate entry to Medicine.”

Cambridge “Please note that the Cambridge Colleges will not normally, as a matter of principle, consider applications from students attending other UK universities applying to study the same or a very similar subject at Cambridge.
If you wish to make such an application, it will have to be strongly supported by your tutor at your current university... If you wish to apply to Cambridge to study a different subject from the one you are currently studying at university, we would assume that had had a change of heart and no longer wish to study the subject you are currently pursuing. In this case your application would be considered, but would still need strong support from your current university tutor.”

Barts “The School of Medicine and Dentistry does not accept applicants who have not completed their degree courses... You must work to finish your degree course and apply via UCAS for either the five year or graduate entry programme.”



Imperial “We would consider someone who is already registered on another degree elsewhere; you would need to explain the choice to change the degree in your personal statement so that the shortlisters can determine your commitment to Medicine.”

Pennisula “The fact that you will be leaving a degree course would not be detrimental to any application that you send to us. As you are still in the first year of your degree, your application would be judged on your A level results and UKCAT score... Alternatively, if you have signed on to the second year of your degree you would need to apply as a non-direct school leaver and would be required to sit GAMSAT”

Newcastle “Just because they have left one programme would not necessarily disadvantage them during the selection process, however, they would be expected to outline why they felt they didn't want to complete their course.”

Leicester “We would consider an application from a student in the first year of another course.”

St Andrews “We consider applicants who have studied for one year in another university course (but not two years), however they are assessed on the basis of their school performance - they would be competing with other school leavers.”

Oxford “Admissions tutors at Oxford are concerned only with selecting the most academically able students with the most potential to excel in their studies here. As a result, your being a student at another institution will not directly affect your application in any way; however, you will b expected to demonstrate a consistently excellent academic record, and thus they may ask to see transcripts from your university studies.”

Soton “Provided you meet the academic entry requirements, it will be fine for you to apply.”

Cardiff “This would not affect the status of your application.”

Sheffield “There is nothing stopping a candidate applying here whilst doing a degree. However, we would not encourage anyone to drop out of a degree.

Glasgow “Applications from applicants, who have commenced a degree programme other than medicine, can apply through UCAS and have their application considered, providing they meet entry requirements. We would not take the first year of the degree programme into consideration as this does not meet our entry requirements




I HAVE CONTACTED SOME F THE UNI THAT "WOULD ACCEPT" APPLICANTS WHO COMPLETED THEIR FIRST YEAR AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD ALSO LOOK AT THEIR A'LEVEL RESULTS. THEREFORE STUDENTS WITH A'LEVELS AAA WOULD HAVE A CHANCE AND STUDENTS WITH CCC WOULD NOT.
I've gone down this route this year, studying biochemistry at imperial. I've only been acknowledged so far.. Has anyone got any interviews yet?
Original post by krisblade
There has been a lot of debate about whether universities would accept those on the first year of another degree. I personally thought most wouldn't. Out of curiosity, I emailed the universities with the following email to see who in fact does accept it:

“Dear Admission Tutor,

In regards to admissions, what would be the position of your university for an applicant that applies to your medical school whilst studying for the first year of a non-medical undergraduate degree at another university? For example someone studying the first year of a biomedical degree, which would require them to leave this course to join yours. Would their application be accepted or affected in anyway compared to someone who is in their final year of sixth form or on a gap year?”


Any universities not listed below either never replied or sent a generic response that in fact did not answer the question at all, lol. I sent this originally in Febuary, and I am still getting responses... Some uni's are very slow at answering. It turns out quite a few universities are willing to consider those on a degree, and I put it up here for future reference of those considering this route. Yes, I know this is random, but curiosity got the better of me. THose in red said no, those in green said yes.

Keele “We regret that we do not consider applications from students on degree courses in other subjects who wish to transfer without first completing their degree.”

Edinburgh “We would not normally encourage an application from anyone who was currently on-course and was not due to complete their qualification in the year of application.”

Leeds - “At Leeds we do discourage applicants from starting out on another degree course if they intend to apply for medicine. The reasons for this is that it is not fair to other applicants who may have been rejected for that course and it also isn’t fair to the course the student is on as they are losing students elsewhere.
We do advise that applicants who have commenced another degree course should complete that course and then apply as a graduate applicant for medicine.”

Bristol “Applicants who embark on a degree course are
expected to complete their degree and then apply as a graduate.”

UEA “We do not accept applications from candidates who are in the first year of a degree elsewhere.”

Manchester - “We only consider undergraduates applying a the start of their final year with a minimum 2.1 degree prediction”

Nottingham “We do not accept applications from students who are already on a course and we would require that an applicant has withdrawn from any previous degree course... An applicant would need to have a strong personal statement that is backed up with relevant proof to show their motivation for a career in medicine that was not there when they applied for a different degree.”

Aberdeen “Our usual advice in these circumstances is to complete the current degree to at least 2:1 Honours level and then apply for graduate entry to Medicine.”

Cambridge “Please note that the Cambridge Colleges will not normally, as a matter of principle, consider applications from students attending other UK universities applying to study the same or a very similar subject at Cambridge.
If you wish to make such an application, it will have to be strongly supported by your tutor at your current university... If you wish to apply to Cambridge to study a different subject from the one you are currently studying at university, we would assume that had had a change of heart and no longer wish to study the subject you are currently pursuing. In this case your application would be considered, but would still need strong support from your current university tutor.”

Barts “The School of Medicine and Dentistry does not accept applicants who have not completed their degree courses... You must work to finish your degree course and apply via UCAS for either the five year or graduate entry programme.”



Imperial “We would consider someone who is already registered on another degree elsewhere; you would need to explain the choice to change the degree in your personal statement so that the shortlisters can determine your commitment to Medicine.”

Pennisula “The fact that you will be leaving a degree course would not be detrimental to any application that you send to us. As you are still in the first year of your degree, your application would be judged on your A level results and UKCAT score... Alternatively, if you have signed on to the second year of your degree you would need to apply as a non-direct school leaver and would be required to sit GAMSAT”

Newcastle “Just because they have left one programme would not necessarily disadvantage them during the selection process, however, they would be expected to outline why they felt they didn't want to complete their course.”

Leicester “We would consider an application from a student in the first year of another course.”

St Andrews “We consider applicants who have studied for one year in another university course (but not two years), however they are assessed on the basis of their school performance - they would be competing with other school leavers.”

Oxford “Admissions tutors at Oxford are concerned only with selecting the most academically able students with the most potential to excel in their studies here. As a result, your being a student at another institution will not directly affect your application in any way; however, you will b expected to demonstrate a consistently excellent academic record, and thus they may ask to see transcripts from your university studies.”

Soton “Provided you meet the academic entry requirements, it will be fine for you to apply.”

Cardiff “This would not affect the status of your application.”

Sheffield “There is nothing stopping a candidate applying here whilst doing a degree. However, we would not encourage anyone to drop out of a degree.

Glasgow “Applications from applicants, who have commenced a degree programme other than medicine, can apply through UCAS and have their application considered, providing they meet entry requirements. We would not take the first year of the degree programme into consideration as this does not meet our entry requirements






BUt What If you dont tell the universities you applying to..as they wouldn't know anyway.
I have spoken to UCAS and they said there is no way for universities to find this out...
Reply 28
Original post by ashu12345678
BUt What If you dont tell the universities you applying to..as they wouldn't know anyway.
I have spoken to UCAS and they said there is no way for universities to find this out...


Doing that is called fraud and is frowned upon in most cultures.
Reply 29
Original post by ashu12345678
BUt What If you dont tell the universities you applying to..as they wouldn't know anyway.
I have spoken to UCAS and they said there is no way for universities to find this out...


you will get found and when you do the GMC won't look very kindly upon it. Google Dr Prabhu Satya and look at his case if you are even contemplating doing this.
Reply 30
Original post by billykwok

Original post by billykwok
I'll chip into this as well, i also did such a thing back in 2008 august.
I am just gonna add in ones that krisblade missed out, or have conflicting information:

Missed:

KCL - We would never advise potential applicants to start a degree with the intention of leaving it, it does not look very positive on a UCAS application and to apply to medicine you need as competitive application as possible. Subsequently if you are considering medicine then you should either complete your degree and apply as a graduate to our 4 year programme or take a gap year and apply from September for 2009 entry.

UCL - I am afraid that it is not the policy of UCL Medical School to consider students who have failed to complete a course for transfer or for admission to the first year of the Medical degree programme at UCL. Candidates currently holding offers elsewhere or who take up a place through Clearing should be aware that if they are formally placed on a degree programme, they will be expected to complete it, obtaining at least a 2.1 in their degree, and will not be eligible for application to this School until their last year of study. Additionally, although the School expects that some candidates will also apply for non-medical degree programmes due to the pressure on places, sometimes with a view to applying as a graduate, we would not look favourably on any candidate who, once placed on another degree programme, decides to reapply for medicine in the following year and does not withdraw their application via UCAS. Failing to take up a place on another programme deprives another more committed candidate of a place and wastes the time and effort of admissions staff.

Liverpool - We would not consider you whilst you were on another degree programme.

HYMS - Thank you for your email and your interest in HYMS. If you start the degree at another university you must complete it before applying to medical school (you can apply in your final year of the course if you are predicted a 2:1).

Conflicting information:

Newcastle - You could submit an application to study medicine at Newcastle, but if you decide to start another degree the University would advise you to continue and finish the degree then apply as a graduate with your degree classification as your entry requirement.
If you have no intention of completing the degree, Newcastle would advise you not to start the degree, apply using your A levels as your entry qualification and use the next year as a gap year.

Glasgow - If you chose to commence another degree programme other than medicine you can apply through UCAS and have your application considered. However, please note that priority will be given to applicants who are school leavers, graduates or completing access courses.


Do you know if this only applies to Medicine or all other courses?
Reply 31
Does anyone know if there is another forum NOT for medicine?
Reply 32
Original post by jazz6563
Does anyone know if there is another forum NOT for medicine?
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=22
Original post by sd91
you will get found and when you do the GMC won't look very kindly upon it. Google Dr Prabhu Satya and look at his case if you are even contemplating doing this.


It is highly unlikely you will get found out.
Reply 34
Original post by firestar101
It is highly unlikely you will get found out.
Because nobody would dream of questioning a missing year in someone's history :rolleyes:
Original post by Renal
Because nobody would dream of questioning a missing year in someone's history :rolleyes:


Well, someone could be doing anything in that year, such as, volunteering etc. It is not like they require proof that you did work experience or you were volunteering somewhere.
Reply 36
Original post by firestar101
Well, someone could be doing anything in that year, such as, volunteering etc. It is not like they require proof that you did work experience or you were volunteering somewhere.
Why not?

They'll believe that you received an offer from UCAS and were paying university fees and you'll prove that you were "volunteering etc." how exactly?
Great job - very useful for me if I apply next year and don't get in straight away.

+1 rep :smile:
Reply 38
Original post by firestar101
It is highly unlikely you will get found out.


Anything can happen. When I enrolled onto my medical degree, I was asked to sign a bunch of declarations and one of them was about whether or not I had previously attended university. Lying on a UCAS form is dishonest and is a form of fraud - things which go against the medical student charter and are grounds for termination of the course at any stage. It's also a question of probity as far as the GMC are concerned.

With Dr Prabhu Satya, he had got to a point were he was applying for ST1 posts - i.e he had finished medical school and finished the PRHO/F1 year. He got into trouble with a doctor at the hospital he was working at, who then decided to do a full background check on him and discovered that he had omitted his educational history from his UCAS form. He was eventually struck off. How do you know that you aren't going to be involved in a similar incident where you have a personality clash with someone at work that is so bad for them to start looking your details up? People should do things with honesty instead of acting in desperation.
Yeah but for person like me who got rejected from all 4 unis even though I had all those predictions and work experience. It would be unwise to just carry on for a GAP year and ending up in the same situation next year. Anything can happen, when you are talking about getting into medicine. Plus there is a hug fee rise.

I have spoken to UCAS and I dont think even if someone try to find out about anyone can find out because its against confidentiality where you are disclosing someone else information without their permission. And its not lieing, Its hiding and there is a big difference in both. I will make sure I apply to universities who have got no problem with it at the first place. Even if they find out I wont be at any loss but writing about it on your ucas can actualy screw your chances of even getting an interview. They might not treat you the same.

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