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You are starting to really annoy me, we need to look towards the future as a church, and it is because of people like you who insist on telling people who go off what they have been taught and told by their Bishop that they are wrong. The church cannot be stuck in the past, which is where these Catechisms were written.

Oooo - proper Catholic church eh?

Apparently, when my nana was growing up she had to teach the altar servers what to do, but she couldnt actually set foot on the sanctuary

I heard that the current Pope doesn't like females in the choir either.

If you want a church that fits in with your own viewpoints you should perhaps move to another church that does that.

I personally think that is a little harsh - a lot of Catholics question their faith -I certainly have and still do to an extent. (I would like to also point out my Priest and School Chaplin said this was in human nature to question and that they even question sometimes) - I particularly don't like the Confession Rite, nor do I practice it (within the Church, my philosophy on the idea is that the Big man upstairs knows exactly what I've done and I don't need a middle man to tell me I've been cleansed, I know that in my heart i've been cleansed after having a 1-to-1 with god on my own - I feel dirty when I tell a Priest so I ask for personal healing instead) but I am still a Catholic, does that mean that I should go to a different Church? Remember our faith tells us to "Love thy neighbour" with the bickering going on here we aren't doing much of that

I am as cross as the other poster who condemned me is.

I do not make the rules - the rules are made by Christ, the founder of our Church.

Scripture cannot be modelled to suit our own life styles. If we wish to be members of any club (this is the only way I can illustrate my point) we have to abide by the rules.

I love my neighbours as I love myself - which is what God commands. We can all get angry from time to time, just as you have done here with me. It doesn't mean we stop this neighbourly love...at least for me it doesn't.

I am as cross as the other poster who condemned me is.

I do not make the rules - the rules are made by Christ, the founder of our Church.

The rules are not made by Christ!
They are made by Cardinals who interpret scripture into what they want it to say.

That's what I used to tell myself until I made a more 'in depth' study of Catholic Theology and Scripture.

I have to ask you though, deej2.

How do you think you'll cope with the vow of obedience to the Church if you become a priest?

Tell me, if Catechism is made by Jesus, explain why He says "I am the gateway" yet Catholic teaching is "anyone with a pure heart, but who does not know Christ can enter heaven"?
If Catechism is made by Jesus, why do we have laws against female priests?
Why a celibate priesthood?

Christ said "I am the way, the truth and the light, no one comes to the Father except through me".

The way to heaven is through belief in the resurrected Christ, the keeping of the Commandments and good works.

Regarding celibacy, those men called to consecrate themselves with undivided heart to the 'affairs of the Lord' give themselves entirely to God and Man. 1 Corinthians 7:32

If the Church were to ordain women they would be exceeding their mandate from Christ. The Lord Jesus chose men to form the college of the twelve apostles and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry. The Church recognises herself to be bound by this choice made by Jesus himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.
Mark 3:14-19; Luke 6:12-16; 1 Tim 3:1-13; 2 Tim 1:6; Titus 1:5-9

What does the vow of obedience taken by priests during their ordination signify to you?

Well, that directly contradicts Catholic teaching, as Catechism states that those who do not know Christ can enter heaven

CCC 161 "Believing in Jesus Christ and in the One who sent him for our salvation in necessary for obtaining that salvation"...et seq.

If you want to know what the Cathechism actually says you can visit the Vatican website on http://www.vatican.va and use the search facility inputting 'Cathechism of the Catholic Church'

I need to go and watch 'Invasion' of TV now - catch you later.

Oh yes - what does the vow of obedience that a priest takes during his ordination signify to you?

Who told you that?

Christ said "I am the way, the truth and the light, no one comes to the Father except through me".

The way to heaven is through belief in the resurrected Christ, the keeping of the Commandments and good works.

Regarding celibacy, those men called to consecrate themselves with undivided heart to the 'affairs of the Lord' give themselves entirely to God and Man. 1 Corinthians 7:32

If the Church were to ordain women they would be exceeding their mandate from Christ. The Lord Jesus chose men to form the college of the twelve apostles and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry. The Church recognises herself to be bound by this choice made by Jesus himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.
Mark 3:14-19; Luke 6:12-16; 1 Tim 3:1-13; 2 Tim 1:6; Titus 1:5-9

What does the vow of obedience taken by priests during their ordination signify to you?

PART 1, SECTION 2 2, CHAPTER 3 3, ARTICLE 9, PARAGRAPH 3, SUBSECTION 3, HEADING 5

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. CCC - 337

the BBC

Yes, but as my theologian friend pointed out today, some of the most important and indeed central, figures within our faith have been women. What would Catholicism be without the Virgin Mary or Mary Magdalene? Certainly without the former it wouldn't exist. I don't think it's a question of whether we like it or not - more a question of what we need to do for the Church to survive in the Western world.