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Big man charged with assault for removing fare dodger from train

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This "little kid" was 19!! ohh and what a nice society yours is...oh wait

The poor boy is skinny plus looks small still going college. Nice society is when people do not get assaulted for no valid reason.

Original post by WelshBluebird

Except the kid was not innocent.
He was guilty of:
1 - Not having a valid ticket.
2 - Being abusive towards railway staff.
Two offences which are both valid reasons to be kicked off the train.
Oh, and he was not a "little kid" He is a 19 year old adult who should know better.

The rail company did not declare him guilty so your point does not hold.

Original post by viffer

You're definitely not trying to be a WUM and get a reaction are you? :rolleyes:

So which is it? Years in the slammer or the noose?

You need a tissue? wtf is a WUM?

Reply 101

WelshBluebird

Original post by Cura

The poor boy is skinny plus looks small still going college.

He is NOT a boy. He is an adult.

Original post by Cura

The rail company did not declare him guilty so your point does not hold.

He did not show a valid ticket. So yes, he is guilty of that offence.

Reply 102

PurpleMonkeyDishwasher

Original post by WelshBluebird

1 - Most often than not, fare evaders also get away with it. Partly because people don't do anything about it.

2 - He is not a child. He is a 19 year old adult who should know better than to break the law and then become abusive when he is pulled up on breaking the law.

Fare evaders only get away with it because conductors aren't tough enough on them. There should be more enforcement in cases where people persistently wont pay up.

His age isn't the issue, it's the other guy using brute force on him; citizens should never take the law into their own hands where it's unwarranted.

Reply 103

WelshBluebird

Original post by miserlou

Good, shouldn't be throwing (literally) peoples children off trains in to the middle of no where at night time. If I had children and I saw a video of someone doing that to my child I would want to kill them.

It doesn't matter how much of a d*** the child was being, he should have just left it to the people in charge to punish the boy.

1 - He is NOT a child. He is an adult.
2 - Why shouldn't someone be removed from the train if they do not have a valid ticket and are not willing to co-operate with the staff? Don't give me the "in the middle of nowhere at night time" sob story, it is HIS fault and no-one elses. He should have throught about that before trying to travel without a valid ticket and before he started to be abusive to staff.

Reply 104

wizzar

Original post by Sgt.Incontro

Taking the law into your hands for such a trivial thing is a MISTAKE.

The moronic oaf who was charged got what was coming, how dare he lay his hands on someone else's kid who is clearly not harming anyone? :angry:

Who gives a **** if he is not paying, is he directly harming anyone else on that train? No.

Justice is served for the stupid punk.

P.S + Repped you buddy.

Nice one! Thanks!

Reply 105

dobbs

Original post by internet tough guy

Nope, don't see a problem with that unless it requires other passengers getting involved as is in this case. Ideally, the transport authority should have adequate staffing on hand to deal with matters like these - be it the ticket inspectors themselves or station workers. But thats isn't always possible, that inspector here was probably in his 60s.

And how long does it take to call up the police and explain the matter? maybe the same amount of time the ticket inspector spent arguing with that kid, even shorter if the call is made while the train is already moving to the next station. Sure delays are bound to occur, but this is the best solution if there isn't anyone on hand to deal with the situation.

Actually it would take some time - especially if that time is meant to be used doing announcements or actually checking tickets. I've already explained all the problems of trying to get the BTP involved when it's clearly a busy time of day on a busy train on a busy route. As an inspector you expect that if someone doesn't have a ticket you tell them to get off the train and they do, not to have abuse hurled at you.

And I think it's good to see people 'taking the law into their own hands', as I say he WAS too physical, but it would've been fine if him and another passenger had picked him up, taken him off the train, and left him there, rather than actually thrown him out of the doors.

Why as normal citizens should we stand around and let people who have broken the rules and are now infringing on our lives (yes, they are, they are delaying the train which I am on trying to get somewhere) just do as they like? They need to realise they cannot get away with it whilst people sit around and ignore it in that typical "British disapproving way"...no, if you're going to break rules, then people are going to speak up against you or do something about it.

Reply 106

Slumpy

Kid is initially at fault. Should get off the train.
Next most at fault is the conductor, he should've given up arguing and called BTP or police instead of arguing with the kid. Also shouldn't have agreed to the guy asking if he wanted the kid moved.
Would say the 'big man' didn't really do anything wrong, except possibly being a touch rougher than entirely necessary. Had the conductor said 'no' to help(as I feel he should've), and the 'big man' acted in the same way, I would say he was at fault.

Reply 107

miserlou

Original post by WelshBluebird

1. I didn't say he was a child, I said he was someone's child. Plus I think he is 19 and to me that's still a child really.
2. The train should have some sort of policing body that does that kind of thing (not random members of the public. He should have been escorted off the train (with a bit of force if needed) and then taken somewhere and fined for dodging the fare.

For me it wasn't the fact that he was removed from the train but the fact that the man literally threw him off.

Reply 108

poolopis01

The justice in this country has gone down the drain! No morals and ethics anymore! Its the young generation doing bad things! What is this country coming to?

Oh wait...lol

Reply 109

viffer

Original post by miserlou

He was 19 and old enough to drive, vote, get married, get a credit card (which if he had one he could have used to buy the right ticket) so should have had the common sense to know that he needed a ticket to ride {(c) The Beatles}

A boy he certainly was not.

Reply 110

kidoo

Someone needs to set up an e-petition to voice peoples views against this.

(edited 12 years ago)

Reply 111

spyka

It's worth pointing out that the teenager didn't actually 'fare doge' as such, the conductor (assuming not the same one who checked his ticket) had printed off the wrong one. He still paid for the ticket and had a "valid defence".

(Source: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/investigations-reveal-student-was-sold-wrong-ticket.16216486)

Reply 112

Hadouken

Truth is,

Would this so called 'big man' have done the same thing to somebody his size? No.

Reply 113

HP15

Original post by TheSownRose

I'm very surprised the ticket inspector isn't being fingered in this charge as well - the 'big man' only did what he did on the inspector's order.

Cuz nobody saw hm behind the Big Man.

Reply 114

Iqbal007

Original post by WelshBluebird

1 - His story has changed a few times, so I do not personally believe it.
2 - If is story is correct, then he should have sorted it out at the earliest chance, which he did not do.
3 - There is no excuse at all for his behaviour, and indeed being so abusive towards the guard is itself a valid reason to be chucked off the train.

1-Therefore we don't know the entire story, so we shouldn't pre judge
2-The thing is we haven't given enough time, we dont no how things would have turned out
3-Well think about it, a frustrated young student on his way home in the cold and intervene 'big man' it doesnt help the situation

Reply 115

Iqbal007

Original post by icedragon

Have you actually seen the video? He showed him the only ticket he had, which was for his journey going the other way, therefore he can't have had the right ticket. He just kept saying "i've paid" while swearing in the middle of a packed carriage, presumabely with children on it. He deserved everything he got.

Yeah I have, if you recall the story, he brought the wrong ticket and was trying to explain the situation. And for someone to be assaulted for swearing is completely wrong

Reply 116

Haz W

Original post by Hadouken

Truth is,

Would this so called 'big man' have done the same thing to somebody his size? No.

Sorry, how is it you know this? And anyone sticking up for the 'dodger' is a pretentious ****.

Reply 117

icedragon

Original post by Iqbal007

Yeah I have, if you recall the story, he brought the wrong ticket and was trying to explain the situation. And for someone to be assaulted for swearing is completely wrong

He wasn't trying to explain the situation at all. He was just sitting there telling the inspector to "**** off" and showing him the wrong ticket repeatedly, holding up other passengers and being a generally vile little turd. He wasn't assaulted, he was thrown off the train, as he should have been.

Reply 118

Hadouken

Original post by Haz W

Sorry, how is it you know this? And anyone sticking up for the 'dodger' is a pretentious ****.

Trust me he wouldnt have touched let alone got near anyone his size or age.

Reply 119

Kiss

I think the student didn't need to swear. Regardless of if he did or did not pay for his ticket, both sides are flawed. The 'Big Man' shouldn't have resorted to physical force and the student shouldn't have overreacted to an accusation - also he should have paid his ticket.