Some people believe that the foetus is not sentient etc.
(Original post by yawn)
I was browsing this debate and felt compelled to respond to a myth that is frequently voiced about the status of the embryo in the uternus – a myth that has been perpetuated on this thread with the claim that human life from the moment of conception is a potential human being.
“A split second after conception, this one-celled forty-six-chromosomed human being possesses everything it needs to grow into an adult human being except time. It is not a blueprint of a human being, it is not a part of a human being. It is a human being.” (James Watkins – The Why Files)
Because words are so important in this debate, we need to remember that it cannot be refuted – with any scientific credibility – that abortions do indeed kill human life.
I am copying the following forward as a preamble (or setting the scene if you wish) to a report entitled “Ireland’s Gain – The Demographic Impact and Consequences for the Health of Women of the Abortion Laws in Ireland and Northern Ireland since 1968.” I should point out that one of the most startling conclusions of the Report is that 93,000 babies are alive in Northern Ireland who would not be here today if the Abortion Act in the UK had been extended to NI.
The above precedes the report written by Patrick Carroll of the Pensions and Population Research Institute (PAPRI) based on statistical evidence which can be found here: http://papriresearch.org/ESW/Files/Irelands_Gain.pdf
I have been extensively involved in the abortion debate on TSR for many years. I’ve seen all the opinions from both sides without witnessing anything new. I wanted those involved in this most recent debate to have the benefit of seeing the concerns of Obstetric and Gynaecological professionals of the failure of legislators and national/regional policies to examine the impact of abortion on women’s health, and to engage in the question raised in the above report.
I bow out of this debate and leave it to your good selves to continue mindful of this new evidence.
Edit: For the attention of SpangleMagnet; there is a need to dwell on the fact that this view reveals ignorance of human physiology: the life growing within the mother is not her body. It has very different chromosome structure with a separate circulatory system and often a different blood type. There's even a fifty-fifty chance it's a different gender! And to pre-empt the common claims of anti-pro life adherents that the growing human being in the uterus is parasitic, try telling the mother who is ecstatic that she will hold her child in her arms within a few months that her 'baby' is a parasite!
As far as I am aware, there is no evidence either way for this, but I am against abortion because if we eventually found out that they were sentient, then we would regret all of those abortions that happened whereas if we found out if they weren't, there would be far less to regret, therefore it makes sense to favour 'keeping' even unwanted babies until there is new evidence.
Also that 'except time' quote is fairly stupid because the foetus relies on the mother for sustainance (unless we can make an artificial growth medium for human foetuses? I guess that would be a good idea) so the arguments that the foetus is only a potential human being does have weight (not saying I agree with it).
I believe abortion should be legal in the same way that I think murder should be legal - why should the government decide what acts are acceptable and what aren't? I am against all forms of government intervention on social issues. Well, most...
(Original post by yawn)
Those who embrace this particular "pro-choice" position are guilty of ignoring their own conscience by allowing for the destruction of human life.
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."
(Martin Luther King.)
"You many choose to look the other way but you can never say again that you did not know."
(William Wilberforce - 18thc anti-slavery campaigner)
Now I really must bow out folks!
My point is that making it illegal wouldn't stop it from happening anyway, so it isn't 'allowing' it to happen, as it would happen anyway.
I think the best way to stop abortion is more wide use of contraception, which would come from better (and earlier) sex education.
Last edited by When you see it...; 25-02-2012 at 09:59.