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Original post by chemistrykid123
Why was ravi bopara not included but chris woakes was...


I'm a bit gutted for Ravi. Probably should have been dropped countless times in his career, but to do so now feels a bit harsh, he seems to have found his role as the lower order batsman with some very economical bowling. I understand the decision, because Moeen Ali will almost certainly fill that role now, but I think dropping him from the squad entirely is harsh.

Interested to see if and how Hales changes the batting lineup. Could just pick the test team with Hales for Robson and someone for Broad. But if they want to leave Morgan in the side, which seems wise as we build towards a World Cup set for massive totals, then one of Bell/Ballance/Root need to be dropped.
Original post by TheSoulWithin
Yeah, both Kohli and Pujara have been regarded by various former players as the 'future greats' for India. I do see it being true, but they must not get ahead of themselves and must still practice as hard as everyone else does. I think it is too early to say whether Pujara is a 'great' player because he has scored tonnes of runs in India but away from home he still needs to perform consistently.

I mean, Bhuvi played all 5 test matches and now he will probably play the ODI's too which means he has bowled a hell of a lot of overs recently. Aaron does look pretty good, he has good pace but he is too inconsistent at the moment, that will come with time though.

All the BCCI care about really speaking is money. They don't care whether India are humiliated as long as they are still getting their money. They have more power than the ICC in cricket and that is saying something.

well kumar looks exhausted already, and ishant unfit/injured. but as you say both will probably play 5 odis. odis used to be a format where young uncapped players were tried out. Bowlers need recuperation time and indian ones it seems are not fit enough to play 5 tests inn a row. it seems quite dumb to play ishant and kumar in all when they will be definates for the Worldcup squad anyway. If they are struggling now youd have to worry that either they arnt keeping fit, or they are overworked by bcci, prob a combination of both. but as you say, bcci are simply blinded by earning money and odi is what the indian public will switch on tvs for.


EDIT just read that bcci have given pujara permission to play county cricket for Leictershire. thereby underlineing his re-direction away form this and other odi series. id think that other indian cricketers would go for this option if bcci topped up their salaries while playing 4 day cricket
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Wounded Tiger: A History of Cricket in Pakistan

Definitely going to read this book by Oborne. Before all the English fans lose their blob, Oborne is English too.
Original post by Louis.
I'm a bit gutted for Ravi. Probably should have been dropped countless times in his career, but to do so now feels a bit harsh, he seems to have found his role as the lower order batsman with some very economical bowling. I understand the decision, because Moeen Ali will almost certainly fill that role now, but I think dropping him from the squad entirely is harsh.

Interested to see if and how Hales changes the batting lineup. Could just pick the test team with Hales for Robson and someone for Broad. But if they want to leave Morgan in the side, which seems wise as we build towards a World Cup set for massive totals, then one of Bell/Ballance/Root need to be dropped.


It does not really make sense about ravi he has batted well and bowled reasonably well lately him and morgan in that middle order really strengthen England very disappointing especially with his experience before a world cup! Ali is good if they want a spin option and an extra batsman by taking out james tredwell and replacing him with ali or two spinners. Also I think they will use stokes for bopara in this one.

Hales are performed well recently looks pretty good robson no way would be in it he was only brought in as an experiment for test cricket :-p but it is the batting order that worries me I like the opening partnership of cook and bell they have been using that for ages and chanign in before a world cup seem silly but hales can't bat at 3 can he?? so I would shift bell to 3 and leave balance out for a 'rest'

My ideal lineup for this series. Cook, hales, bell, root, morgan, stokes, buttler, tredwell, Anderson, finn, gurney

For the world cup. Cook, bell, balance, root, morgan, bopara, buttler, tredwell, Anderson, broad, finn/gurney (maybe stokes ali for extra batting support)
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Original post by Louis.
I'm a bit gutted for Ravi. Probably should have been dropped countless times in his career, but to do so now feels a bit harsh, he seems to have found his role as the lower order batsman with some very economical bowling. I understand the decision, because Moeen Ali will almost certainly fill that role now, but I think dropping him from the squad entirely is harsh.

Interested to see if and how Hales changes the batting lineup. Could just pick the test team with Hales for Robson and someone for Broad. But if they want to leave Morgan in the side, which seems wise as we build towards a World Cup set for massive totals, then one of Bell/Ballance/Root need to be dropped.


Ravi can laugh when England get knocked out before the semi finals in the world cup, dropping him and keeping root and cook is a joke of a move, top order batsmen who average 30s at a strike rate of 70 odd after several odis do not deserve to continue playing. Root and cook will of course have fun with these indian trundlers but watch them square up to any other attack in NZ or aus for the world cup and watch them lose a game for England. World cup 11 should be
Hales
Bell
Ballance
Morgan
Ali
Butler
Bopara
broad
Jordan
Anderson
Finn

With that attack in aus most sides would be reduced to below 250 and the batting is deep.
Original post by mali167
Wounded Tiger: A History of Cricket in Pakistan

Definitely going to read this book by Oborne. Before all the English fans lose their blob, Oborne is English too.


Considering the author's impressive work at the Telegraph, very much look forward to grabbing a copy at the library. Should be a good, balanced and definitive read on Pakistan cricket.
Original post by JRP95
Ravi can laugh when England get knocked out before the semi finals in the world cup, dropping him and keeping root and cook is a joke of a move, top order batsmen who average 30s at a strike rate of 70 odd after several odis do not deserve to continue playing. Root and cook will of course have fun with these indian trundlers but watch them square up to any other attack in NZ or aus for the world cup and watch them lose a game for England. World cup 11 should be
Hales
Bell
Ballance
Morgan
Ali
Butler
Bopara
broad
Jordan
Anderson
Finn

With that attack in aus most sides would be reduced to below 250 and the batting is deep.


I'm a huge fan of Root's but I agree with you. Whilst he can perform magical innings, he's not consistent enough with it. I would have Bopara at 4, not 7, in your line-up, and then Morgan (as captain) and Buttler can be the finishers. I like that 6 man bowling attack a lot though
Original post by mali167
Wounded Tiger: A History of Cricket in Pakistan

Definitely going to read this book by Oborne. Before all the English fans lose their blob, Oborne is English too.


I came across this book the other day and I wasn't sure if I should buy it or not. But having read this review I'll definitely buy it now. Thanks. :smile:
Original post by Roger1
I came across this book the other day and I wasn't sure if I should buy it or not. But having read this review I'll definitely buy it now. Thanks. :smile:


I knew about the Shakoor Rana incident coz I saw the video on youtube of Mike Gatting acting like a complete je*k and swearing at Rana. Ajmal felt like Ian Gould gave a wrong decision against him and then after dismissing this SL batsman he looked back at Gould and screamed and Gould reported him or whatever and Ajmal was fined. And rightly so. You should respect the umpire's decision. But why the double standards? Guess it comes down to this that English don't respect Pakistani umpires' authority. The Idrees Baig incident, really infuriated me. Bunch of bullies.
Original post by mali167
I knew about the Shakoor Rana incident coz I saw the video on youtube of Mike Gatting acting like a complete je*k and swearing at Rana. Ajmal felt like Ian Gould gave a wrong decision against him and then after dismissing this SL batsman he looked back at Gould and screamed and Gould reported him or whatever and Ajmal was fined. And rightly so. You should respect the umpire's decision. But why the double standards? Guess it comes down to this that English don't respect Pakistani umpires' authority. The Idrees Baig incident, really infuriated me. Bunch of bullies.


Lol I've no idea what you are talking about man.
This may seem a little random but I'm thinking of basing my EPQ around the problems within cricket, mainly:
Match fixing
The effect of the T20 competitions around the World
The inequality of the men's and women's game
Scheduling
The lack of 'superstar' players in English County Cricket

Can anyone think of any others? :smile:
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Original post by shrublemaker
This may seem a little random but I'm thinking of basing my EPQ around the problems within cricket, mainly:
Match fixing
The effect of the T20 competitions around the World
The inequality of the men's and women's game
Scheduling
The lack of 'superstar' players in English County Cricket

Can anyone think of any others? :smile:


The BCCI refusing to use DRS and only being allowed to refuse because they are so rich.
Original post by JRP95
The BCCI refusing to use DRS and only being allowed to refuse because they are so rich.


That is a good point! Thank you :smile:
Original post by shrublemaker
This may seem a little random but I'm thinking of basing my EPQ around the problems within cricket, mainly:
Match fixing
The effect of the T20 competitions around the World
The inequality of the men's and women's game
Scheduling
The lack of 'superstar' players in English County Cricket

Can anyone think of any others? :smile:


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The Bears will win this imho.
5/106 and PAK hit back to win the game. Still can't believe it. Well done both Maqood and Alam.
Original post by mali167
5/106 and PAK hit back to win the game. Still can't believe it. Well done both Maqood and Alam.


Once again Younus and Misbah let us down but brilliant from Maqsood and Alam. I went out with the family after Misbah got out and caught the rest of the match in some restaurant. I was surprised and quite ecstatic that we finally won a match. But Younus and Misbah have got to start performing.
Original post by Roger1
Once again Younus and Misbah let us down but brilliant from Maqsood and Alam. I went out with the family after Misbah got out and caught the rest of the match in some restaurant. I was surprised and quite ecstatic that we finally won a match. But Younus and Misbah have got to start performing.


Younus Khan is useless in limited overs tbh. This was his 1st ODI in the last 12 months and he flopped. If you go back, in the past 2 years, his average was 21.44. He only hit one 50 and that was on his comeback too against India in India. He's a test specialist.
Sincethat whitewash against England in 2012, we haven't won a single testseries. Not doing awesomely well in T20s and ODIs either. But wheninternational matches in Pakistan are impossible, totally inefficientadministrators and clueless selectors, its a miracle that we manageto pull wins like this one today.
Original post by mali167
Younus Khan is useless in limited overs tbh. This was his 1st ODI in the last 12 months and he flopped. If you go back, in the past 2 years, his average was 21.44. He only hit one 50 and that was on his comeback too against India in India. He's a test specialist.


Younus flopped in his last 3 test innings after that 177 against SL in the first innings of the first test. Misbah keeps flopping. The way he got out today was just face palm.

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