Kill a Palestinian girl and get a reward

If you bothered to find out, you'd know that Hamas are only calling for a return to the 1967 borders. They're not even asking for the destruction of Israel which they could easily and legitimately do since their land was taken from them. And before I get the 'OMG I so can't believe you just said that' speeches, Zionism, the political movement behind the state of Israel, calls for the destruction of Palestine and the annexation of the land between the Nile and the Euphrates (that's everything from Egypt to Iraq children), so why shouldn't the Palestinians call for the same thing since their land was actually taken from them?

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technik

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Agent Z

If you bothered to find out, you'd know that Hamas are only calling for a return to the 1967 borders. They're not even asking for the destruction of Israel which they could easily and legitimately do since their land was taken from them. And before I get the 'OMG I so can't believe you just said that' speeches, Zionism, the political movement behind the state of Israel, calls for the destruction of Palestine and the annexation of the land between the Nile and the Euphrates (that's everything from Egypt to Iraq children), so why shouldn't the Palestinians call for the same thing since their land was actually taken from them?

the land is israeli. before that it was NOT palestinian controlled. now bugger off and get a clue. by the way, being pretty into using "their" as a reference to palestinians...why not go and read up on who palestinians are. not quite the conventional "nationality".

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Juicy Fruit

Hahaha, I expected a simplistic view of the situation.

The land is NOT Israeli, the Palestinians inhabited the region formerly and soon to be known again as Palestine for centuries. In the view of international law, occupying a country is not a legal course of action. Therefore, the Ottoman and British dominance of the country during the 19th and 20th Centuries was not legitimate and so it follows that the country SHOULD have been Palestinian-controlled. Your logic is inherently flawed.

Example:

If I take something from a person who stole said thing from someone else, who does that thing belong to? Obviously it belongs to the person it was originally stolen from. If you still insist on being myopic and ignorant then that's your problem, but you know what I'm getting at.

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Agent Z

Hahaha, I expected a simplistic view of the situation.

The land is NOT Israeli, the Palestinians inhabited the region formerly and soon to be known again as Palestine for centuries. In the view of international law, occupying a country is not a legal course of action. Therefore, the Ottoman and British dominance of the country during the 19th and 20th Centuries was not legitimate and so it follows that the country SHOULD have been Palestinian-controlled. Your logic is inherently flawed.

Example:

If I take something from a person who stole said thing from someone else, who does that thing belong to? Obviously it belongs to the person it was originally stolen from. If you still insist on being myopic and ignorant then that's your problem, but you know what I'm getting at.

You have provided no evidence for what is a controversial claim. The facts speak for themselves. The area was under Arab rule for less than 100 years out of 2000! The population was largely nomadic and of mixed race. The word Palestinian does not exclusively apply to Arabs, just like the word British does not just apply to whites, and to suggest otherwise is to be narrow-minded and racist.

If you have a claim, make it. Use names, dates, sources! Anything!

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Agent Z

If you bothered to find out, you'd know that Hamas are only calling for a return to the 1967 borders. They're not even asking for the destruction of Israel which they could easily and legitimately do since their land was taken from them. And before I get the 'OMG I so can't believe you just said that' speeches, Zionism, the political movement behind the state of Israel, calls for the destruction of Palestine and the annexation of the land between the Nile and the Euphrates (that's everything from Egypt to Iraq children), so why shouldn't the Palestinians call for the same thing since their land was actually taken from them?

The 1967 borders should be a starting place for negotiation, since the war was (at best) a mutual action, with aggression from both sides.

Zionism says nothing of the sort! Using a straw man like this is childish. Why don't you find me a quote from a reputable source by a contemporary Jewish leader backing up your claim? I could find thousands to back up the opposite.

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Longshoredrift80

And if I could point to the Hamas Charter and statements of leaders over the years, they make it quite clear that a return to the 1967 borders is just an interim position and that their final objective is the annihilation of Israel. So to claim otherwise is a blatant lie. Then again, all the posts of this new idiot seem to be full of lies and a complete absence of any factual knowledge.

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And then there was silence...

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technik

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its depressing so many fools pick the wrong side.

i really feel pity for labour supporting-republican-socialist-hamas sympathising losers.

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Bismarck

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technik

its depressing so many fools pick the wrong side.

i really feel pity for labour supporting-republican-socialist-hamas sympathising losers.

Have you been reading the Respect platform lately?

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aaronc2

Agent Z

If you bothered to find out, you'd know that Hamas are only calling for a return to the 1967 borders. They're not even asking for the destruction of Israel which they could easily and legitimately do since their land was taken from them. And before I get the 'OMG I so can't believe you just said that' speeches, Zionism, the political movement behind the state of Israel, calls for the destruction of Palestine and the annexation of the land between the Nile and the Euphrates (that's everything from Egypt to Iraq children), so why shouldn't the Palestinians call for the same thing since their land was actually taken from them?

Ha what trash! Not sure this even deserves an answer...

(look at my sig regarding Hamas)

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Agent Smith

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What would be the problem in simply taking Israel, drawing a horizontal line dividing it exactly in half and calling one side Palestine and the other side Israel? Or North and South Israel, for the sake of historical continuity. Establish a DMZ down the middle (just pick up the Israeli wall and drop it on the border) and have Jerusalem a UN-controlled Free City like Danzig used to be. Neutral territory.

(No similarity is implied between North Korea, Palestine and North Vietnam, or between the opposite three nations.)

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Longshoredrift80

Agent Smith: They tried that. That was pretty much what the original division of the Mandate was. A line draw down the mandate, one side Arab, one side Jewish with Jerusalem under international control. The Jews accepted the plan.

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