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Cambridge postgraduate applicants 2013/14

OK, so with applications opening Sept/Oct and queries starting to pop up in the existing Cambridge 2012 thread about next year, I thought it was maybe time to start the next thread :smile: So this is for 2013 applicants to chat about their applications (and hopefully, in due course, their offers), and hopefully also for those who have been through the process to chip in with advice.

From previous years, two main areas that are usually talked about are (1) the perennial "are my grades good enough to apply?" and (2) "why are they taking so long?"

Re the second, I am reposting a quote that Craghyrax used in a previous thread:

Original post by threeportdrift
Because BoGS took your application into a long, process driven system and it got held up in a back-log

and didn't arrive at the department until [the Christmas break, the week the dept secretary was away ill etc]

which meant it missed being put in front of the fixed degree committee meeting.

The Secretary then decided to get approval from [the chair of the degree committee] to forward your application directly to a relevant potential Supervisor,

although it took a fortnight for the Chair to [come back off leave, answer the email, return from an overseas conference etc].

Then the first Supervisor took 3 weeks to read your application and make a conclusion because they [had a tricky bunch of undergrads to teach, had a new lecture series to write, was doing their own research]

they reported back that your application had a lot of potential, but they could not supervise because [they were leaving, they had too many students already, they were writing/publishing a book next autumn etc] and they did/didn't suggest an alternative.

The Secretary/degree committee took a week to think up a new potential Supervisor and send off your application again.

The second potential Supervisor was away [on a conference, having a baby, writing the final chapter to their book, trying to get out of North Africa in one piece, doing fieldwork in Outer Mongolia etc] and takes 4 weeks to make a decision and report back to the degree committee.

Your application then waits a couple of weeks with the degree committee until they meet to compare notes on applicants and comments to check they are making fair and equal decisions.

Then your application is sent back to BoGS for confirmation and the change to CAMSIS, where it joins a queue of several thousand other applications waiting for the same.

Eventually it gets to the top of the pile and CAMSIS is changed to reflect the decision.

You might get an earlier decision if a) the dept does not have a rigid rule against pre-empting BoGS and b) someone in the dept has the time and resources to email you directly and c) your supervisor is in the dept and OKs the message.

Simples :smile:


Re the first, it varies by course but generally:

It goes without saying you need good grades. Some masters' courses specify a 2:1 minimum and some a first. For those with a 2:1 it seems you generally need a high one (67%+) and for some competitive courses, effectively you need a first anyway even if they state a 2:1 minimum. GPA conversion for US students doesn't seem to be standard even within Cambridge (some departments that ask for a first ask for a 3.7 GPA, others for a 3.85 for example).


You need good references. It sounds like people with fantastic grades have been let down by references in the past - this is an absolute essential.


Some departments require a research proposal for masters and some don't. Check!!


Cambridge is far more discriminatory about your grades than where you did your undergrad. I'm sure there are grey areas, but in general a first is more likely to get you accepted than a 2:1, irrespective of where you did your undergrad.


I'm going to leave it up to those who have previously applied for/been accepted for PhDs to chip in on the PhD process.



So, looking forward to hearing from future applicants - background, what you are applying for, questions.

For my part, perhaps a slightly unusual applicant in that I was previously accepted for an MPhil (Economics) which I had to turn down due to funding issues. I am now working full-time, did a part-time MSc elsewhere along the way, and will be applying for one of the few part-time masters courses on offer at Cambridge (Mst in International Relations).

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Hello! :smile: I've seen you around a lot on TSR, but I don't think we've really got to know each other at all. I will probably apply for the doctoral programme in English, but it depends a bit on whether I like it there (doing the MPhil this coming year); if I do, then count me in.
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I applied for the 2012/13 round and was rejected, and I'm reapplying for the 2013/14 intake because I feel like my application was such a mess last time around.
Anyway I have a question for former applicants, I'm at a bit of a loss with the CV. I didn't think about this properly last time and just uploaded a pretty old and useless one thinking it wouldn't matter at all, but obviously it did. Should I go to town on my academic achievements there? Is that really an appropriate place to do that? I have some awards and I've been doing some research for an academic in my department, do I stick that here do you think?
Thanks for any help in advance guys.
Original post by Quicksand

Anyway I have a question for former applicants, I'm at a bit of a loss with the CV.


Put it up in the CV Help forum and someone will be along to help :wink:
Reply 4
I think I'm going to apply for a PhD 2013/14 entry, but I have absolutely no idea what the process or standard is for Cambridge. I didn't even consider applying for Oxbridge for my undergraduate degree- my grades were good but not that good. Fortunately I ended up with a first from a good university for my area (archaeology), borderline but on the right side! I'm just about to start a master's course somewhere else to specialise but doctorate applications are already starting to play on my mind!

Very glad there's a thread where we can all discuss applications, especially for a Cambridge newbie like me!
Reply 5
Original post by threeportdrift
Put it up in the CV Help forum and someone will be along to help :wink:


Ah, merci!
Reply 6
Hello,

Very new here but always had my eyes at these threads before.

Planning to apply for a PhD 2013/2014 start. I would like to know is "the earlier" the better in terms of submitting to first deadline for PhD applicants or not as much? Also, should I contact a faculty that has my same research interest or just apply?

Currently working on my master dissertation to be submitted March 2013 and I am afraid I would be caught up during first deadlines.

Thank you! Good luck to all.
Reply 7
Hello everyone,

Yep, I'll be wasting £50 applying to Cambridge for a PhD on the extreme off chance I'll get an offer.
Reply 8
I will also be applying for the 2013-2015 MSt International Relations (part-time) while working.
Reply 9
Original post by PossibleMPP
I will also be applying for the 2013-2015 MSt International Relations (part-time) while working.


Well, here's hoping we'll be classmates then :smile:. Did you see that Cambridge is going to be offering an MPP from 2013 too btw?!
Reply 10
I'm thinking of applying too. This is for PhD in Materials Science.
Reply 11
hi i am planning to apply for the Mphil economics 13/14! just finished my second year in durham a couple month ago. scraped by a first, only just. anyway, i am hoping there will be more people applying for that course! good luck guys
Reply 12
Original post by sj27
OK, so with applications opening Sept/Oct and queries starting to pop up in the existing Cambridge 2012 thread about next year, I thought it was maybe time to start the next thread :smile: So this is for 2013 applicants to chat about their applications (and hopefully, in due course, their offers), and hopefully also for those who have been through the process to chip in with advice.

From previous years, two main areas that are usually talked about are (1) the perennial "are my grades good enough to apply?" and (2) "why are they taking so long?"

Re the second, I am reposting a quote that Craghyrax used in a previous thread:



Re the first, it varies by course but generally:

It goes without saying you need good grades. Some masters' courses specify a 2:1 minimum and some a first. For those with a 2:1 it seems you generally need a high one (67%+) and for some competitive courses, effectively you need a first anyway even if they state a 2:1 minimum. GPA conversion for US students doesn't seem to be standard even within Cambridge (some departments that ask for a first ask for a 3.7 GPA, others for a 3.85 for example).


You need good references. It sounds like people with fantastic grades have been let down by references in the past - this is an absolute essential.


Some departments require a research proposal for masters and some don't. Check!!


Cambridge is far more discriminatory about your grades than where you did your undergrad. I'm sure there are grey areas, but in general a first is more likely to get you accepted than a 2:1, irrespective of where you did your undergrad.


I'm going to leave it up to those who have previously applied for/been accepted for PhDs to chip in on the PhD process.



So, looking forward to hearing from future applicants - background, what you are applying for, questions.

For my part, perhaps a slightly unusual applicant in that I was previously accepted for an MPhil (Economics) which I had to turn down due to funding issues. I am now working full-time, did a part-time MSc elsewhere along the way, and will be applying for one of the few part-time masters courses on offer at Cambridge (Mst in International Relations).


hi
thanks for creating the post. i am sure we lot will appreciate your effort. given you had previously applied for Mphil economics, and i am planning to do the same, i have had a quick question on that.
it seems there arent that many differences between the Mpil econ and Mphil econ and finance, however, from a variety of sources, it seems to suggest econ and finance course is much more competitive to get in, even though the modules overlap a lot. is that true?
also, if you dont mind sharing it with us, what was your conditional offer for cambridge back then?
cheers
Reply 13
Original post by 09001904
hi
thanks for creating the post. i am sure we lot will appreciate your effort. given you had previously applied for Mphil economics, and i am planning to do the same, i have had a quick question on that.
it seems there arent that many differences between the Mpil econ and Mphil econ and finance, however, from a variety of sources, it seems to suggest econ and finance course is much more competitive to get in, even though the modules overlap a lot. is that true?
also, if you dont mind sharing it with us, what was your conditional offer for cambridge back then?
cheers


The finance and economics course is new I think - I don't recall it being available when I applied. So, I can't make any comments comparing them - sorry. Also, I had completed undergrad when I applied for the economics MPhil so my offer wasn't conditional, but I got a a first at undergrad.
Reply 14
Hello everyone!

I'll be applying for entry to a PhD in Chemistry. Good luck all! :smile:
Reply 15
Me too! I'm really hoping the Chemistry Department is keen on giving offers to its own 4th year students. :erm:
Reply 16
Original post by Nichrome
Hello everyone,

Yep, I'll be wasting £50 applying to Cambridge for a PhD on the extreme off chance I'll get an offer.


You never know. When I applied, I thought I wouldn't have a hope in hell of getting in, but I got an offer to my surprise.

If you have the minimum required grade, it's worth a shot.
Reply 17
Does anyone know if you graduate with 65 from Oxford, what are your chances in getting on a postgrad course at Cambridge? They normally ask for high 2.1, will they make concessions for Oxbridge students?
Reply 18
Hello!
Is anybody else feeling painfully limited by the short personal statement? (300 words!)
I'm applying for Linguistics but it's a longshot!
Reply 19
What happens after you've submitted your application:
http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/students/gradadmissions/prospec/pdf/process_chart1.pdf

Degree committee meeting dates:
http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/offices/gradstud/meetings/pdf/meetingdates201213v3.pdf

And:

Timescales
It may be several months before the department makes a decision on your application, especially for those departments who consider applications after the course deadline. Once the department and degree committee have made a decision, this will need to be approved by the Graduate Admissions Office. It may take up to 5 weeks from Degree Committee approval for your application to be approved by the Graduate Admissions Office. Please note that colleges will not receive your application until a conditional offer of admission has been made by the Graduate Admissions Office.
Your Self-service account will be updated once a decision has been processed.

(source: http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/students/gradadmissions/prospec/next/index.html )

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