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Original post by dan94adibi
Well assuming that the value if y is always greater than 1


Yes, I know, but my issue is with all numbers. You can't just ignore y < 1 and say that it holds :tongue:

Can you see an actual flaw with the argument?

if a^x < b, and we take log[y]

then log[y](a^x) < log[y](b)

and xlog[y](a) < log[y](b)

if y is such that log[y](a) < 0
then x > log[y](b) / log[y](a)
and x > log[a](b) by the law of logs.

if y is such that log[y](a) is not < 0
then x < log[y](b) / log[y](a)
and x < log[a](b) by the same law.

so if a^x < b then x (> or <) log[x](b), with the inequality determined by the chosen value of y. Therefore there are either two solutions to every log inequality, or there's a mistake somewhere in that logic.
Original post by kanojyoxx
For working out the P(X=x) would you get full marks for using the formula?


Speaking from an OCR experience, yes.
You may also be required to add together P(x< or = n) for small n for full marks too, such as :

P(X< or =1) = P(X=0) + P(X=1)

But don't quote me on that.
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Original post by Kurak
Speaking from an OCR experience, yes.
You may also be required to add together P(x< or = n) for small n for full marks too, such as :

P(X=1) = P(X=0) + P(X=1)

But don't quote me on that.


You mean P(X=<1) :tongue:

In these cases it should be very obvious which method to take.
Original post by The Polymath
You mean P(X=<1) :tongue:

In these cases it should be very obvious which method to take.


God damnit I am bad today :rolleyes:.
Original post by The Polymath
Yes, I know, but my issue is with all numbers. You can't just ignore y < 1 and say that it holds :tongue:

Can you see an actual flaw with the argument?

if a^x < b, and we take log[y]

then log[y](a^x) < log[y](b)

and xlog[y](a) < log[y](b)

if y is such that log[y](a) < 0
then x > log[y](b) / log[y](a)
and x > log[a](b) by the law of logs.

if y is such that log[y](a) is not < 0
then x < log[y](b) / log[y](a)
and x < log[a](b) by the same law.

so if a^x < b then x (> or <) log[x](b), with the inequality determined by the chosen value of y. Therefore there are either two solutions to every log inequality, or there's a mistake somewhere in that logic.



First of all before I go any further the first mistake you are making is that

loga / logb = log(a/b)

this rule only applies to loga-logb

Follow this rule and then you'll see that you are totally incorrect.


I want you to solve 8^x = 16

Ok xlog(0.5)8 = log(o.5)16

x = log(0.5)16/log(0.5)8 which is 4/3

now consider xlog(1.5)8 = log(1.5)16

x = log(1.5)16/log(1.5)8 which is 4/3

Follow the rules of logs and you will never go wrong
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Original post by woodhamboyluke
H1 > 0.5 as the local radio forecast got the unexpected result of 21/30 correct results, which is more than the expected 15. Therefore you test that H1 > 0.5 as that is what the data shows... If they got less than 15 correct answers it would be < 0.5


This question seems to have shaken my confidence in hypothesis testing.
Original post by dan94adibi
First of all before I go any further the first mistake you are making is that

loga / logb = log(a/b)


I never made this mistake. Look again and you'll see I used the change of base law, not subtraction.
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is the expected value of a pdf always the mode?
Original post by tr12
is the expected value of a pdf always the mode?


What do you mean expected value?
Original post by JOR2010
This question seems to have shaken my confidence in hypothesis testing.


Think of it this way.

Tossing a coin I could either get a head or tail so 50% chance.

Now there are different weather conditions which makes the probability of a rainy day less than 50%.

I think you are looking at it too simply ( either sunny or rainy. Remember it can snow or be cloudy and so many other weather conditions). Therefore in order to prove this wrong we have to say that P>0.5 for our H1
Original post by woodhamboyluke
What do you mean expected value?


E(X) aka the mean
Original post by tr12
is the expected value of a pdf always the mode?

No. E(X) = int(xf(x)dx). The Mode is simply the maximum value of f(x). Very easy to figure out if you have a graph, or often it's just differentiation. There are certain quirks you get when x is within limits, so don't always rely on differentiation! At this point graphics calculators become very handy!
Original post by dan94adibi
First of all before I go any further the first mistake you are making is that
loga / logb = log(a/b)
this rule only applies to loga-logb
Follow this rule and then you'll see that you are totally incorrect.


log[y](a) < 0
then x > log[y](b) / log[y](a)
and x > log[a](b)

This is perfectly valid. LogbaseA(B) / logbaseA(C) = logbaseC(B)
Original post by The Polymath
I never made this mistake. Look again and you'll see I used the change of base law, not subtraction.


Ok sorry for that but still considering 8^x = 16


xlog8=log16
x=log16/log8 = log8(16)

now with your assumption that if log[y]a is <0

so xlog(0.5)8=log(0.5)16
x=log(0.5)16/log(0.5)8 = log(8)16

both operations lead to the same result.
Hey there, please could someone tell me when we have to work out the critical region are we required to put x is between the limit and the number, for example if it was a binomial distribution with a sample of 20 and the critical value was 16. Is it okay to put x greater than or equal to 16 as the critical region or does it need to be between 16 and 20.
Also if the lower tail was 0 would the critical region just be x=0
Original post by candyhearts
Hey there, please could someone tell me when we have to work out the critical region are we required to put x is between the limit and the number, for example if it was a binomial distribution with a sample of 20 and the critical value was 16. Is it okay to put x greater than or equal to 16 as the critical region or does it need to be between 16 and 20.
Also if the lower tail was 0 would the critical region just be x=0

Yes, X >= 16 is fine and so is X = 0. In fact I think those are the answers they would expect you to give in these situations, as they are on all the Edexcel Mark Schemes.
Original post by tr12
E(X) aka the mean


Only if it's symmetrical about E(X)
Original post by dan94adibi
Ok sorry for that but still considering 8^x = 16


xlog8=log16
x=log16/log8 = log8(16)

now with your assumption that if log[y]a is <0

so xlog(0.5)8=log(0.5)16
x=log(0.5)16/log(0.5)8 = log(8)16

both operations lead to the same result.


You're still not noticing the problem here. You've used an equality for your example. Use an inequality instead.
Original post by Ayakashi
probability of rejecting H0 when H0 is true,
which is the same as the probability of incorrectly rejecting H0.

Please could you explain this as I still don't understand why the answer to this would be the significance level surely it should be 1-the significance level
Original post by LShirley95
Yes, X >= 16 is fine and so is X = 0. In fact I think those are the answers they would expect you to give in these situations, as they are on all the Edexcel Mark Schemes.

Thankyou, however if I remember correctly I think there have been mark schemed that required you to mention the limit also

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