Immigration hits highest ever level in history
The latest immigration figures have been released and they are the highest in history surpassing the levels under Labour.
-In the year to June 2014 gross figures had 583,000 coming to the UK, up 16%
-Net figures was 260,000 an increase of 43%, Cameron promised under 100,000
-Romanian and Bulgarian immigration from Sept 2013-Sept 2014 went up 106,000!
-EU immigration went up 45,000, Non EU immigration (which we can legally control) went up 30,000.
This is unsustainable how can the UK getting 5-6 million immigrants a decade be a good thing. Will this be the the final nail in David cameron's coffin?
http://www.ft.com/fastft/242472/uk-net-eu-migration-hits-record
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11256116/Net-migration-hits-260000-in-new-blow-for-Government-pledge.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30224637
-In the year to June 2014 gross figures had 583,000 coming to the UK, up 16%
-Net figures was 260,000 an increase of 43%, Cameron promised under 100,000
-Romanian and Bulgarian immigration from Sept 2013-Sept 2014 went up 106,000!
-EU immigration went up 45,000, Non EU immigration (which we can legally control) went up 30,000.
This is unsustainable how can the UK getting 5-6 million immigrants a decade be a good thing. Will this be the the final nail in David cameron's coffin?
http://www.ft.com/fastft/242472/uk-net-eu-migration-hits-record
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11256116/Net-migration-hits-260000-in-new-blow-for-Government-pledge.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30224637
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This country is so ****ed.
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Meh. The people who can should support the others who cant. If their country has gone to **** then who are we to say they cant seek a better life?
Yet it's improving the economy?
Original post by Chlorophile
Yet it's improving the economy?
Yeah, add some people to the economy and it looks like its growing, which says little about actual GDP per capita figures, a neat little trick.
Original post by Unkempt_One
Yeah, add some people to the economy and it looks like its growing, which says little about actual GDP per capita figures, a neat little trick.
Well given that the UK's GDP per capita has been constantly growing apart from the blip of the financial crisis... And anyway, the GDP per capita is irrelevant. If they earn less than the average, so what? It doesn't drag anyone else down, they're still contributing the economy (and adding more than they take out).
Original post by Pennyarcade
Meh. The people who can should support the others who cant. If their country has gone to **** then who are we to say they cant seek a better life?
Have you ever considered that maybe it's not your or anyone else's country to give away - and that this really isn't going to end well?
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Original post by Chlorophile
Well given that the UK's GDP per capita has been constantly growing apart from the blip of the financial crisis... And anyway, the GDP per capita is irrelevant. If they earn less than the average, so what? It doesn't drag anyone else down, they're still contributing the economy (and adding more than they take out).
Well, richer migrants will contribute more in tax on average and likely require less from the state. Simply 'contributing' isn't really enough since we've cut our finances to the point where many public services, especially the NHS and primary schooling, are stretched. To scale these up to serve the incoming population without increasing debt would need migrants who will be at a certain fairly high income level I would have thought.
Original post by Time Tourist
Have you ever considered that maybe it's not your or anyone else's country to give away - and that this really isn't going to end well?
If the country doesn't belong to us to give away, then why would it belong to us to protect from "invaders"?
Original post by kopi, ffs
If the country doesn't belong to us to give away, then why would it belong to us to protect from "invaders"?
You haven't thought that one through have you.
Yea, we are being colonised.
Original post by Chlorophile
Well given that the UK's GDP per capita has been constantly growing apart from the blip of the financial crisis... And anyway, the GDP per capita is irrelevant. If they earn less than the average, so what? It doesn't drag anyone else down, they're still contributing the economy (and adding more than they take out).
The UK's GDP per capita has crashed and unemployment has remained terrible. If you look at EU countries who have been sending millions of immigrants around the EU there economies have been doing great whilst they have been dragging down the UK economy.
GDP per person in the UK- In 2007 GDP per person was $46,600 in 2012 it was $39,400
In Poland GDP per person in 2007 was $11,200 in 2012 it was $13,400
Unemployment in the UK before borders opened in 2004 was 1.44 million in Dec 2003, it is now 2 million.
In Poland before borders opened unemployment was 19.8% in Dec 2003, it is now under 11%
What is happening is the UK is being forced down whilst other EU nations go up by bleeding us dry
Original post by Ace123
The UK's GDP per capita has crashed and unemployment has remained terrible. If you look at EU countries who have been sending millions of immigrants around the EU there economies have been doing great whilst they have been dragging down the UK economy.
GDP per person in the UK- In 2007 GDP per person was $46,600 in 2012 it was $39,400
In Poland GDP per person in 2007 was $11,200 in 2012 it was $13,400
Unemployment in the UK before borders opened in 2004 was 1.44 million in Dec 2003, it is now 2 million.
In Poland before borders opened unemployment was 19.8% in Dec 2003, it is now under 11%
What is happening is the UK is being forced down whilst other EU nations go up by bleeding us dry
GDP per person in the UK- In 2007 GDP per person was $46,600 in 2012 it was $39,400
In Poland GDP per person in 2007 was $11,200 in 2012 it was $13,400
Unemployment in the UK before borders opened in 2004 was 1.44 million in Dec 2003, it is now 2 million.
In Poland before borders opened unemployment was 19.8% in Dec 2003, it is now under 11%
What is happening is the UK is being forced down whilst other EU nations go up by bleeding us dry
The UK GDP per capita has 'crashed' because of the financial crisis which has absolutely nothing to do with immigration, everyone else's GDP per capita also dropped at that point. It has been steadily increasing since then. The fact that immigration has a net positive effect on the economy means that the UK economy is healthier than it would be without it. It doesn't mean immigrants are simply earning money, it means they are earning enough money so that they are adding more than they are taking away. In no way is immigration damaging the economy.
Oh dear God, Poland's GDP is now only a third of our's! How dare they earn more than 30% of what we earn?
Unemployment is exactly the same. It rose because of the financial crash and it now dropping at the fastest rate in 20 years - precisely at the same time as immigration is at a high.
What you are saying makes zero sense.
Original post by Unkempt_One
Well, richer migrants will contribute more in tax on average and likely require less from the state. Simply 'contributing' isn't really enough since we've cut our finances to the point where many public services, especially the NHS and primary schooling, are stretched. To scale these up to serve the incoming population without increasing debt would need migrants who will be at a certain fairly high income level I would have thought.
The "net positive" effect took that into account. Even taking these expenses into account, immigration adds more than it takes out.
Original post by Chlorophile
The "net positive" effect took that into account. Even taking these expenses into account, immigration adds more than it takes out.
As long as it's taken into account I'm fine with it. I don't want to see overly simplistic statements like they added Xbillion pounds to the economy.
Original post by Unkempt_One
As long as it's taken into account I'm fine with it. I don't want to see overly simplistic statements like they added Xbillion pounds to the economy.
That's good, neither do I.
Population is increasing and transport is getting easier. Immigration is going to go up.
We need to look at the reasons people are coming to this country, the main one obviously being climate change and global warming, which has devastated most of Eastern Europe and Africa and left these people with no opportunities or chances in life,
and for those fleeing dictatorships, work out ways we can replace the leaders of those countries and turn them into democracies.
I think solving these issues would mean people would want to stay in the countries they are leaving.
and for those fleeing dictatorships, work out ways we can replace the leaders of those countries and turn them into democracies.
I think solving these issues would mean people would want to stay in the countries they are leaving.
Original post by Chlorophile
Yet it's improving the economy?
How? We have housing, school, NHS shortages and the government is too busy making cuts to accomodate for all these new people. It's a disaster in the long run, free market capitalism creating 'spontaneous order', or should I say unemployment, cheap labour and exploited natives.
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