University of Westminster: Stop ANTI-GAY preacher Sheikh Haitham Al Haddad speaking

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Reply 20

al_94

Original post by DiddyDec

He said that LGBT(I?) people are "evil" and a "scourge". That is hate speech.

Is there a video of it?

Reply 21

DiddyDec01

Original post by al_94

Is there a video of it?

No. But here is an article written by the man himself.

http://www.islam21c.com/politics/4670-standing-up-against-homosexuality-and-lgbts/

Reply 22

HAnwar

Original post by DiddyDec

There is a difference between freedom of speech and allowing hate speech.

And what about the obscene drawings of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم‎ ?
They weren't hateful were they?

Hypocrites.

Reply 23

DiddyDec01

Original post by HAnwar

And what about the obscene drawings of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم‎ ?
They weren't hateful were they?

Hypocrites.

This might help you understand.

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Reply 24

Inglisred

Original post by HAnwar

And what about the obscene drawings of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم‎ ?
They weren't hateful were they?

Hypocrites.

I usually don't agree with any of your points, because you are quite radical (I believe you once said Shias aren't Muslims?) but you have a good point right now.

Reply 25

HAnwar

Original post by DiddyDec

This might help you understand.

Last time I checked the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم‎ was a person.

And ideas should have something called respect.

Reply 26

HAnwar

Original post by Inglisred

I usually don't agree with any of your points, because you are quite radical (I believe you once said Shias aren't Muslims?) but you have a good point right now.

Thanks.
And yeah I did, but I take back what I said about Shias.

Reply 27

Aj12

Original post by HAnwar

Last time I checked the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم‎ was a person.

And ideas should have something called respect.

Really we're comparing insulting dead historical figures to offensive remarks about people today? Calling gay people a scourge encourages violence and discrimination against them. Insulting historical figures does nothing to anyone.

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Reply 28

DiddyDec01

Original post by HAnwar

Last time I checked the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم‎ was a person.

And ideas should have something called respect.

He is a dead person. He does not get offered the same rights as alive people.

Why should they get respect?

Respect is earned not given.

Reply 29

HAnwar

Original post by Aj12

Except for the people who hugely look up to them.

Reply 30

Lady Comstock

Original post by HAnwar

Where's the freedom of speech you were all banging on about a couple of weeks ago?

1. In the vast majority of countries, freedom of speech does not include speech that incites hatred against traditionally-persecuted minorities. 2. If a university can expel a student for their language, then they should be able to prohibit a hate preacher from speaking on campus.

Reply 31

miscounted_time

Original post by HAnwar

And what about the obscene drawings of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم‎ ?
They weren't hateful were they?

Hypocrites.

I don't think you know what hate speech is.

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Reply 32

Lady Comstock

Original post by HAnwar

Except for the people who hugely look up to them.

Silly analogy.

What about people who look up to Catherine the Great or Elizabeth I? Should we ban all satire about them?

Second, you simply cannot compare insulting a long-dead man to inciting hatred against a traditionally-persecuted group of live people.

Reply 33

Aj12

Original post by HAnwar

Except for the people who hugely look up to them.

Your really going to struggle to argue that is somehow worse that calling a currently alive community of people evil and a scourge.

You could easily reverse it, which is more offensive saying Christ was a pillock or Muslims are evil? The first comment is not particularly nice but it is nothing on the scale of stereotyping and insulting a whole community of currently alive people.