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HELP! C3 Differentiation question, Can't solve. Please help as soon as possible

Hi,

Guys the question is from differentiation chapter in C3.
I can solve the question but there is step i can't do in the question.

the question is

Question = X^3 x (2X + 6)^4

Answer : Let U= X^3 and V= (2X+6)^4

dU/dX= 2X^2 and dV/dX = 8(2X+6)^3

and so, dY/dX= 8X^3 x (2X+6) + 2X^2 x (2X+6)^4

Now, How to solve it further?

Reference = C3 Edexcel Chapter 8 Differentiation Exercise 8B Question 1C.

Please reply as soon as possible.

Thanks in advance.
Original post by Choudhry Walid
Hi,

Guys the question is from differentiation chapter in C3.
I can solve the question but there is step i can't do in the question.

the question is

Question = X^3 x (2X + 6)^4

Answer : Let U= X^3 and V= (2X+6)^4

dU/dX= 2X^2 and dV/dX = 8(2X+6)^3.


You sure about dU/dx?
Original post by usycool1
You sure about dU/dx?


Yea im sure about dU/dX.

Why is that wrong?
Original post by Choudhry Walid
Yea im sure about dU/dX.

Why is that wrong?


You've calculated some sort of differential integral hybrid...

Multiply by the current power, then drop the power.
Also to solve further, expand brackets-collect like terms

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Original post by MintyMilk
You've calculated some sort of differential integral hybrid...

Multiply by the current power, then drop the power.


This is how its solved on solution bank.c3.png

I can't understand how they did the third last step.

Can u please explain that. :smile:
Original post by Choudhry Walid
This is how its solved on solution bank.c3.png

I can't understand how they did the third last step.

Can u please explain that. :smile:

Hi there,

If the question is: y= x^3 (2x+6)^4

You have two different functions, x^3 (which is u) and (2x+6)^4 (which is v)

You've worked out du/dx and dv/dx

Because you have two different functions multiplied together you have to use the "product rule"

The product rule is: dy/dx = u.dv/dx + v.du/dx

Hence plug in the values that you've already calculated and you'll get an answer.

Let me know if you need any more help. :smile:
Original post by Choudhry Walid
This is how its solved on solution bank.c3.png

I can't understand how they did the third last step.

Can u please explain that. :smile:


They took out a factor of x2(2x+6)3x^2(2x+6)^3
Original post by spotify95
Hi there,

If the question is: y= x^3 (2x+6)^4

You have two different functions, x^3 (which is u) and (2x+6)^4 (which is v)

You've worked out du/dx and dv/dx

Because you have two different functions multiplied together you have to use the "product rule"

The product rule is: dy/dx = u.dv/dx + v.du/dx

Hence plug in the values that you've already calculated and you'll get an answer.

Let me know if you need any more help. :smile:


Plug the values? Like how? Can you please explain more. :smile:
Original post by usycool1
They took out a factor of x2(2x+6)3x^2(2x+6)^3


Yep, you're right. It took me a while but I've managed to explain the working here. Hopefully my workings out explain it a bit better! :smile:

20150608_105459[1].jpg
Original post by usycool1
They took out a factor of x2(2x+6)3x^2(2x+6)^3


Ohhhh.... yea exactly. Thanks alot. You are a life saver. Once again thanks alot.
Lol, I was too stupid that i didn't understand that they actually factorized it. lmao.
Original post by spotify95
Yep, you're right. It took me a while but I've managed to explain the working here. Hopefully my workings out explain it a bit better! :smile:

20150608_105459[1].jpg


Ohh... yea thats really great. thanks man. this really helped. thanks again. May you achieve A* grade in your A Levels. :smile:
Original post by Choudhry Walid
Plug the values? Like how? Can you please explain more. :smile:


Yep, sure thing :smile:

You've already worked out how to get du/dx and how to get dv/dx

You also know what u and v both are.

You then use the values that you have for u, du/dx, v and dv/dx in the equation for the product rule. (Because it is two functions multiplied together, which we're calling u and v, we have to use the product rule.)

The product rule is: u dv/dx + v du/dx

Hence if you put the values of u, v, du/dx and dv/dx into the above equation, you'll get the first line of what was shown in the attachment you uploaded:

dy/dx = 8x^3 (2x+6)^3 + 3x^2 (2x+6)^4

If you then have a look at the workings out that I uploaded in my last post, you'll see how they get to an answer :smile:

Hope that helps - let me know if you need any more assistance :smile:
Original post by spotify95
Yep, sure thing :smile:

You've already worked out how to get du/dx and how to get dv/dx

You also know what u and v both are.

You then use the values that you have for u, du/dx, v and dv/dx in the equation for the product rule. (Because it is two functions multiplied together, which we're calling u and v, we have to use the product rule.)

The product rule is: u dv/dx + v du/dx

Hence if you put the values of u, v, du/dx and dv/dx into the above equation, you'll get the first line of what was shown in the attachment you uploaded:

dy/dx = 8x^3 (2x+6)^3 + 3x^2 (2x+6)^4

If you then have a look at the workings out that I uploaded in my last post, you'll see how they get to an answer :smile:

Hope that helps - let me know if you need any more assistance :smile:


Yea i've already seen your attachment of the working you did. That was really helpful. Once again thank you very much.
Original post by Choudhry Walid
Yea i've already seen your attachment of the working you did. That was really helpful. Once again thank you very much.


No worries at all! Glad I could help you on this :smile:

If you need anything else just let me know :smile:
Original post by spotify95
No worries at all! Glad I could help you on this :smile:

If you need anything else just let me know :smile:


Sure, i will. :smile:

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