I do not understand Religions stance on sex?!

fair points

i can't say one is more loyal or loving than the other, it depends on the person, it's not related to gender

the problem with women is that you UNDERESTIMATE just how extremely important sex is to a man. Let me explain. Of course we value your loyalty, we demand your loyalty. Woman thinks men just wants her for sex, thinks that's all he's interested in, thinks he just wants her body. That's not the case though. Men can't help it, our sexual desire is extremely strong. Sex is extremely important for men. That's what you have to understand. That's the one thing we value more than anything. Everything else, you can get it from elsewhere. Your mother, father, siblings, friends...they can provide you with friendship, support, repsect, love. Only a good loving wife can provide you with sex, which is the biggest thing that a man needs (it's true). Well...preferably a wife, girlfriends are a bad idea and I don't support that concept. Believe me when I tell you that there's absolutely nothing a man values more highly than sex when it comes to what he needs from his wife. Women value the services that a man can provide for them. they want loyalty, dedication, commitment, emotional support, communication, good (fun) companionship. They want a man who can spend money on them. Unfortunately for men, a large proportion of our cardiac output is diverted to our external genitalia which means that we're very basic, all we need from a woman is sex all the time, loyalty and a little bit of appreciation and for her to be in a good mood, that's it. A husband must serve his wife and in return, the wife should also be kind and give him sex whenever he needs it

fair points

i can't say one is more loyal or loving than the other, it depends on the person, it's not related to gender

the problem with women is that you UNDERESTIMATE just how extremely important sex is to a man. Let me explain. Of course we value your loyalty, we demand your loyalty. Woman thinks men just wants her for sex, thinks that's all he's interested in, thinks he just wants her body. That's not the case though. Men can't help it, our sexual desire is extremely strong. Sex is extremely important for men. That's what you have to understand. That's the one thing we value more than anything. Everything else, you can get it from elsewhere. Your mother, father, siblings, friends...they can provide you with friendship, support, repsect, love. Only a good loving wife can provide you with sex, which is the biggest thing that a man needs (it's true). Well...preferably a wife, girlfriends are a bad idea and I don't support that concept. Believe me when I tell you that there's absolutely nothing a man values more highly than sex when it comes to what he needs from his wife. Women value the services that a man can provide for them. they want loyalty, dedication, commitment, emotional support, communication, good (fun) companionship. They want a man who can spend money on them. Unfortunately for men, a large proportion of our cardiac output is diverted to our external genitalia which means that we're very basic, all we need from a woman is sex all the time, loyalty and a little bit of appreciation and for her to be in a good mood, that's it. A husband must serve his wife and in return, the wife should also be kind and give him sex whenever he needs it

Well it says the wife also has the right to rape/sexually abuse the husband, the opposite of "mutual respect" to me.

I was just showing you how the Bible condones even more evil things than marital rape (taking sex slaves).

I don't think your excerpt really makes it any more acceptable.

It's saying if a woman belongs to another man, you can't rape her. If she doesn't, you can. I don't know if you're male or female, I'm a guy, but ****ing hell, I have a mother, sisters, a girlfriend... I don't even want to entertain this sick view of women, as property. I can hardly think of anything more sick than marrying a rapist to a rape victim.

"This is one of those passages in which Bible study from the Torah perspective comes into play. On the face of it, it may seem that the woman here is degraded since she is obliged to marry a man who has violated her, whether or not there is rape involved, which is not clearly stated in the verse. (If rape is indeed involved, there is a severe penalty meted out toward the man.) However, if the verse is interpreted in context together with Exodus 22: 16-17, since Deuteronomy is a kind of summation of the previous four books of the Law, one can see that the young girl's father must first give his consent to marriage, which is unlikely under the circumstances, particularly if rape was involved. (Further, the woman also has a say regarding whether she wants to marry the man.) If the woman's father or the woman herself rejects the man who violated her, the man must still pay the father money for his unsavory action as well as support the father's daughter thereafter. Thus, in point of fact, the burden in this situation falls on the man who is an aggressor in a premarital relationship of either mutual consent or of statutory rape or forcible rape. "

16 One who seduces a virgin not yet betrothed, and beds with her, must give her a dowry and marry her, 17 unless the father will not give her in marriage; then amends must be made, equivalent to the dowry which a virgin customarily receives.

It's worrying to me that so many people want to try and excuse this. I know it's hard to turn away from the religion you are raised with, but you have to have some morality. Certainly, this is a God unworthy of worship, on this one ruling alone.

never said woman is a toy
a wife should be kind to her husband and give him sex, in return he gives her commitment, loyalty, love, money, food, clothes etc. Sex is extremely important to men, you can't tell a man to control his sexual desires, that's ridiculous. My girl understands this so she gives me sex as much as is physically possible for her because she understands how important it is to me, even if she's not in the mood she'll still have sex because I want it.

there should be an understanding between a man and a woman before they get married. it's not like she must do it, it would just be really nice if she did that for her husband. I don't think we ask for much, we just want sex from her (of course she doesn't have to do it if she doesn't want)

My girl understands this so she gives me sex as much as is physically possible for her because she understands how important it is to me, even if she's not in the mood she'll still have sex because I want it.

thats why marriage is prescribed. you can get married and have sex with your wife as much as you want and that's perfectly okay. you don't have to fight your sexual desires, in fact it's impossible for most men to fight their desires because men desire sex very strongly, there's no way to abstain from sex, so the right thing to do (the only right thing to do) is marry a woman and have sex with her as much as you need