Mob burns down entire Hindu village in Bangladesh

They all have their flaws, yet 1) they're not all comparable and 2) Islam is one of the largest and most oppressive religions in the world, particularly the theocracies which rely on it to justify their rule.

So please, this sort of hollow white knight defence of the religion can be left at the doorstep. No one has just decided to pick on the religion. It is simply being held to the same standard now as pre-reformation Christianity was before. If, as is common for your sort to do, you rely on actions of Christians from centuries past, or whatever, it's going to be summarily dismissed, FYI. Seemingly, other religions can be criticised without undergoing some sort of martyr complex every time their flaws are highlighted.

Oh bless you do get wound up.

Lets break your wee rant down shall we?
You're not 'highlighting flaws' you're clearly focusing and hyperbolising them, tarring the second biggest religion in the world as 'oppressive' is hilariously moronic and ignorant, it shows you know nothing about the religion but what you have been spoon fed by NBC or the like. Generalising these people by the standards set by the Mullahs or Saudis is facile at best. Not to mention the regimes you just mentioned are either entirely propped up by the Christian west or have been created as a reaction to it.

Okay shall we start reeling off a list of recent atrocities by other religions shall we?

Buddhist massacres of Muslims in Burma
Jewish genocide in the occupied lands, a poignant example would be the massacre in Lebanon of 3000 refugees by Christian militants with IDF oversight.
Numerous Christian bombings and shootings across the US, the most recent example that springs to mind would be the shooting at a Sikh temple
Christian militant movements across Africa, lets take the LRA as an example.
The KKK is a widely known movement as well is it not?
Hindu lynchings of Muslims across the Northern states
Shall i continue with examples or?

Now my over all point is not excusing Muslim extremists but simply to point out the ignorant hypocrisy of your ilk who do everybody a disservice by focusing on this religion but either excusing or ignoring the acts of other religious zealots.

Reply 41

gjd800

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Original post by Emilio Ramirez

People that are commenting on this thread have BIASED views...
Concerning the OP, burning down a village is obviously not something good but it's not that major IN COMPARISON to other incidents that are seen as very severe...
End of.

Why is there the urge to draw comparisons? people should be able to read this and condemn it without resorting to whataboutery. The fact that they can't or won't speaks volumes.

Reply 42

Taz554:-)

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Original post by Poooky

No-one has said it's okay? Where did you get that from?

I am being sarcastic!!

Reply 43

Emilio Ramirez

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Original post by TCA2b

Yeah, you do seem to have a biased view by trying to minimise this.
End of.

Wasn't meant to be my view:
What I meant to say was that the point other people were making was that this incident is not as extremely severe in comparison to other incidents e.g. shooting killings.

(edited 6 years ago)

Reply 44

Vertigo_descent

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Original post by Napp

Oh bless you do get wound up.

Lets break your wee rant down shall we?
You're not 'highlighting flaws' you're clearly focusing and hyperbolising them, tarring the second biggest religion in the world as 'oppressive' is hilariously moronic and ignorant, it shows you know nothing about the religion but what you have been spoon fed by NBC or the like. Generalising these people by the standards set by the Mullahs or Saudis is facile at best. Not to mention the regimes you just mentioned are either entirely propped up by the Christian west or have been created as a reaction to it.

Okay shall we start reeling off a list of recent atrocities by other religions shall we?

Buddhist massacres of Muslims in Burma
Jewish genocide in the occupied lands, a poignant example would be the massacre in Lebanon of 3000 refugees by Christian militants with IDF oversight.
Numerous Christian bombings and shootings across the US, the most recent example that springs to mind would be the shooting at a Sikh temple
Christian militant movements across Africa, lets take the LRA as an example.
The KKK is a widely known movement as well is it not?
Hindu lynchings of Muslims across the Northern states
Shall i continue with examples or?

Now my over all point is not excusing Muslim extremists but simply to point out the ignorant hypocrisy of your ilk who do everybody a disservice by focusing on this religion but either excusing or ignoring the acts of other religious zealots.

You can call it "moronic", "ignorant", whatever and continue with your utterly irrelevant red herring of a rant, or you can address the points actually made. I don't even watch NBC.

I don't know of anyone defending the groups you mention, even within the Christian community where applicable. They're even categorised as terrorist groups. So do you think critics of religion - whether from the West or otherwise - should focus on already maligned groups, or focus their energies on a religion that is the basis of the law in many countries, including but not at all limited to Saudi Arabia. Of course, Israel (and its religio-ideological undergirdings) has its critics but, as with those of Islam, they often get called names and slur words and motives are insinuated when criticisms are made. Fairly familiar territory. Get some perspective.

As to this point:

Not to mention the regimes you just mentioned are either entirely propped up by the Christian west or have been created as a reaction to it.

They're propped up by their religious teachings. Do some western governments (and not "the Christian west" as such) aid them? Yeah. They're widely criticised for it, including by people like me. So what? It does not mitigate, alleviate or remove the flaws of Islam.

You sound far more wound up than anyone else here, TBH.

(edited 6 years ago)

Reply 45

QE2

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Original post by y.u.mad.bro?

People trying to prove burning the village is worse than what's happening to rohingya muslims. Clearly out of their minds, none of the two actions are justifiable but one is much worse than the other where only 1 person died? or at least he was shot. Please get your **** together and move on with your lives than spread hatred for one religion -_-

Is anyone trying to claim that burning down a village is worse than burning down a villsge and killing some of the inhabitants?

Reply 46

gjd800

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Original post by QE2

Is anyone trying to claim that burning down a village is worse than burning down a villsge and killing some of the inhabitants?

Allow me: no.

Reply 47

QE2

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Original post by Napp

All religions are inherently flawed, it's just cute that the west has picked Islam as its current punching bag.

The reasons are pretty understandable though.
1. Islamist terrorism has led some people to look further into Islam to find out what the motivations and justifications are - and have been disturbed by what they found. They thought no one took all that stuff seriously anymore.
2. Many Muslims are South Asian so they are targets for the racist and xenophobic elements of society.

Reply 48

QE2

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Original post by Emilio Ramirez

People that are commenting on this thread have BIASED views...
Concerning the OP, burning down a village is obviously not something good but it's not that major IN COMPARISON to other incidents that are seen as very severe...
End of.

You seem to have a biased view of the seriousness of burning down villages when compated to other acts of mob violence.

Reply 49

QE2

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Original post by Napp

tarring the second biggest religion in the world as 'oppressive' is hilariously moronic and ignorant,

The primary aim of Islam is Islamic supremacy. The Quran and sunnah are quite clear about this. Supremacy of one ideology necessarily requires the oppression of others.
Moreover, within Islamic ideology there is clear oppression of certain sub-groups in certain circumstances.
Islam may not be entirely oppressive, but it is certainly oppressive to a considerable degree.

Generalising these people by the standards set by the Mullahs or Saudis is facile at best.

Here you make the very common error of confusing criticism of an ideology with criticism of individuals. It is also sometimes a deliberate ploy used to deflect reasonable criticism of ideology.

Not to mention the regimes you just mentioned are either entirely propped up by the Christian west or have been created as a reaction to it.

The "Christian West"? That's an interesting concept.
KSA executing apostates is not OK just because the sword is paid for by the US. And the US paying for the sword does not mean that the passages prescribing execution for apostasy suddenly disappear from the sunnah.

Okay shall we start reeling off a list of recent atrocities by other religions shall we?

Whataboutery is no defence for any action.

Buddhist massacres of Muslims in Burma
Jewish genocide in the occupied lands, a poignant example would be the massacre in Lebanon of 3000 refugees by Christian militants with IDF oversight.
Numerous Christian bombings and shootings across the US, the most recent example that springs to mind would be the shooting at a Sikh temple
Christian militant movements across Africa, lets take the LRA as an example.
The KKK is a widely known movement as well is it not?
Hindu lynchings of Muslims across the Northern states
Shall i continue with examples or?

How many of these are specific punishments for specific "crimes" as prescribes in holy texts?

Now my over all point is not excusing Muslim extremists but simply to point out the ignorant hypocrisy of your ilk who do everybody a disservice by focusing on this religion but either excusing or ignoring the acts of other religious zealots.

Actually, not really sure what your point is.

Are you claiming that there are no passages that explicitly condone or promote a range of unacceptable actions (in the context of an ideology whose followers insist that it is perfect, universal, timeless and unchangable), or just that we should ignore them?
Or are you not talking about the ideology but rather the behaviour of individuals.

Reply 50

username3507482

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An entire village just got destroyed due to religious intolerance but sure, the only appropriate response is to make it all about Islam and how vilified and persecuted it is because "what about x/y/z".

Reply 51

Spratty

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Why would anyone even do this. Hinduism is one of the most peaceful religions in the world.

Reply 52

astutehirstute

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Original post by Napp

My point was more against the ignorant hordes here who jump at any chance to blame Muslims and Islam in complex social scenarios they know not of.

Spot the Pakistani pretending to be an expert on Bangladesh of which he knows nothing...

Reply 53

Napp

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Original post by astutehirstute

Spot the Pakistani pretending to be an expert on Bangladesh of which he knows nothing...

I'm White, you half witted dunderpate. Think before you try and fail at being a racist :rolleyes:

Reply 54

physicseastldn

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Original post by Trapz99

He's not saying it's okay is he, he is just saying that the OP is suggesting that it's a huge genocidal attack on an entire village. Obviously when someone reads the title 'mob burns down entire village' they are going to think the entire village population was destroyed. Neither events are okay but one is worse than the other.

They burnt down the village therefore the thread will be titled "mob burns down entire hindu village in Bangladesh" because that is what happened

Reply 55

a.benjaminjr

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Grace and Peace fam

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Reply 56

a9493r

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Original post by serions871

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bangladesh-village-prophet-mohammed-insulted-facebook-post-islam-muslim-south-asia-a8051841.html

Now Im not a fan of Hinduism, with their blue elephant gods and sacred cows and all, but surely burning an entire village just because one of the inhabitants insulted the Prophet Mo is a bit much?

This is very dumb because it clearly shows you have no idea what you are talking about, so let me clear it for you :smile:

In Bangladesh, the major religion is Islam so its a Muslim-majority region. However in the news you have mentioned, it talks of a particular Hindu village which was burnt down by the majority-religion sect because 1 individual from that Hindu village had allegedly insulted the Prophet.

So it wasn't actually the Hindus who had burnt the village down so I think you hadn't understood it correctly. Also the whole concept of holding animals sacred, is because it tries to promote love and respect among all living creatures, irrespective of if whether its a humans or an animal.

Also Hinduism is one of the most non-controversial religions in the world atm, so why do you have to insult it just because its not forcing its propaganda in your faces and fighting for its numbers? :smile:

Just a thought really. Also Im not really that strong believer in religions personally but just felt I had to help you get your facts corrected. Hope that helps! :smile:

Reply 57

MJlover

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Original post by QE2

Indeed. If someone somewhere is mistreated, the best way to deal with it is for someone else somewhere else to mistreat someone different.

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind".

He didn't say that but the lack of coverage or sympathy for how Muslims are treated in India as minorities speaks for the hypocrisy about Muslims on this forum.

Reply 58

MJlover

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Original post by QE2

The primary aim of Islam is Islamic supremacy. The Quran and sunnah are quite clear about this. Supremacy of one ideology necessarily requires the oppression of others.
Moreover, within Islamic ideology there is clear oppression of certain sub-groups in certain circumstances.
Islam may not be entirely oppressive, but it is certainly oppressive to a considerable degree.

Here you make the very common error of confusing criticism of an ideology with criticism of individuals. It is also sometimes a deliberate ploy used to deflect reasonable criticism of ideology.

The "Christian West"? That's an interesting concept.
KSA executing apostates is not OK just because the sword is paid for by the US. And the US paying for the sword does not mean that the passages prescribing execution for apostasy suddenly disappear from the sunnah.

Whataboutery is no defence for any action.

How many of these are specific punishments for specific "crimes" as prescribes in holy texts?

Actually, not really sure what your point is.

Are you claiming that there are no passages that explicitly condone or promote a range of unacceptable actions (in the context of an ideology whose followers insist that it is perfect, universal, timeless and unchangable), or just that we should ignore them?
Or are you not talking about the ideology but rather the behaviour of individuals.