[Official Thread] Russian invasion of Ukraine

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Russophobia? So you think Russia creating a war in Europe is going to help with that? The unnecessary loss of thousands of lives is not exactly going to help improve their image. My apologies if I've misunderstood you, and you are just being sarcastic.

Russophobia? So you think Russia creating a war in Europe is going to help with that? The unnecessary loss of thousands of lives is not exactly going to help improve their image. My apologies if I've misunderstood you, and you are just being sarcastic.

Yes Russia should take a stand against Russophobia.

NATO goes around bombing and invading countries across the globe for decades and somehow that's ok. But God forbid Russia reclaim its former territory after a CIA backed coup.

Such a sad day, I'm angered that one man can cause so much destruction at the wave of his hand. This shouldn't be allowed to happen in this day and age. I felt naively that we had moved past things like this, but I guess we never will until leaders like Putin are wiped out and democracy prevails.

There has been clear Russophobia for years to the extent that Russia is conveniently used as an excuse in the West.

The Ukraine seeking to join Nato was a reckless and aggressive position to take against a major nuclear state. No sane Western leader would have tolerated military infrastructure from an opponent on its borders. The US refused during the Cuban missile crisis to allow the Soviets to put weapons in Cuba, but reneged on their promise not to allow Ukraine to join Nato.

It was dishonest for Zelensky to claim that he wanted peaceful co-existence with Russia whilst arming his country.

It's ok when we do it

Including the darling Mr Obama and of course madame Secretary Clinton.

You're conflating all weapons with nuclear weapons. The US only imposed a fully naval blockade on Cuba after nuclear weapons sites were constructed. NATO has nuclear gravity weapons (B-61s) in Germany from the Cold War days but has no plans to move them further east.
Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons after the Cold War with the agreement from the RF, USA and UK that their security would be protected by those nations. Is the irony lost on you?

NATO doing jack **** as Ukraine is being pummelled from all quarters.

"Sending thoughts and prayers" might help though.

You have missed the point.

The fundamental principle of NATO is contained under Article 5 called ‘Collective Defence’. Collective defence means that an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies.

As a result, it does not matter whether it was nuclear weapons. If Ukraine joined NATO, then they had the full military backing of nuclear states.

A nuclear state outside nato is different to a non-nuclear state in NATO.

Oh sh*t.
I never thought it would actually happen.
Just found out now...

This isn't the Cold War; NATO wouldn't launch a nuclear strike unless one was launched at one of its members. Unless Putin wanted to nuke Ukraine, your argument doesn't exactly apply. Plus, you're missing the "Defence" part. If Ukraine attacked first Russia, NATO wouldn't be brought in.

This isn't the Cold War; NATO wouldn't launch a nuclear strike unless one was launched at one of its members. Unless Putin wanted to nuke Ukraine, your argument doesn't exactly apply. Plus, you're missing the "Defence" part. If Ukraine attacked first Russia, NATO wouldn't be brought in.

We are talking about hypotheticals. Russia cannot (and should not imho) allow a neighbour to potentially become a hostile state.

I also note how many people say the west has no interest in invading Russia, they are right but that's only because Russia is a big country with superpower like status. If it was a small country like Afghanistan, 100% the West would invade it to give it some good old democracy (Whilst at the same time stealing all oil and gas supplies and making huge profits from the sale of arms).

We are talking about hypotheticals. Russia cannot (and should not imho) allow a neighbour to potentially become a hostile state.