Is Messi now the undisputed greatest of all time?
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Original post by daryl11
All facts at least someone has said it. Messi is definitely up there in the GOAT convo but CR7 is a different breed. People seriously need to respect Ronaldo instead of basing everything of the last few months. Thank you bro
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Original post by jonjoshelveygoat
Internationally Messi played for Arsenal and won a title, not the best in the world but certainly can compete and still with some of the best players in the world bottled it in 2014 lost in 2018 and won a rigged wc in 2022. He also lost 3 finals in a row where the federation put them on to get messi a win in which he retired because he couldn't take how much of a bottler he was
Internationally Ronaldo plays for Preston North end and won the euros and nations league. Until he was 36 he was playing with literal bums week in week out who wouldn't make it into a premiere league side while Messi had the best attack in world football at Argentina. The refs were against him in every tournament and he never got 6 penalties in a row in any international tournament or got given goals when subs were on the pitch.
Like it or not Messi's career is closer to Neymar than it is to Ronaldo. A system player who should be remembered for bottling with the best teams, getting the most favourable refereeing at any world cup since Germany vs Hungary and for not changing football in his country like Ronaldo has, with it now being considered a footballing nation - this is like if a player came through at Greece and in 20 years time they are producing great talents. Ronaldo has more of a legacy than Messi could in 20 more seasons.
Internationally Ronaldo plays for Preston North end and won the euros and nations league. Until he was 36 he was playing with literal bums week in week out who wouldn't make it into a premiere league side while Messi had the best attack in world football at Argentina. The refs were against him in every tournament and he never got 6 penalties in a row in any international tournament or got given goals when subs were on the pitch.
Like it or not Messi's career is closer to Neymar than it is to Ronaldo. A system player who should be remembered for bottling with the best teams, getting the most favourable refereeing at any world cup since Germany vs Hungary and for not changing football in his country like Ronaldo has, with it now being considered a footballing nation - this is like if a player came through at Greece and in 20 years time they are producing great talents. Ronaldo has more of a legacy than Messi could in 20 more seasons.
These Ronaldo fangirls are so dumb ffs. The delusions.
1. You absolute clown, messi literally played for an average argentina side in all 3 world cups . And took them to finals in 2 of them.
And Ronaldo fans love to use the stupid logic that because portugal had no history, and Ronaldo won them 1st title, that he is better.
By that logic, Ronaldo played in madrid where he won his majority of ucl. While madrid already has a history of winning ucls season in season out.
While messi won 4 ucl with a barca team that has 5 in it's history. Does that make messi's ucl legacy greater than Ronaldo? What is this clowny logic?
And rigged world cup? How f...king shameless are you? Argentina recieved 5 penalties, out of which 4 were scored. Out of these, only 2 penalties would actually change the result of the final game.
Btw, which team was punished the most? Argnetina conceived 2 penalties in this competition, which is the highest. They also received most bookings, highest. Also, how do you rig 2 penalty shootouts?
Except the poland penalty, not a single one was unfair. They were soft, not unfair.
Netherlands continuously recieved free kicks at edge of box but that is fair cause it ain't argentina.
Ronaldo fangirls always do this clownhousery, until their turn comes up. What about the 2 offside goals of Ronaldo in UCL? What about unfair vidal red card? What about unfair penalty to madrid vs juventus? What about casemiro killing every bayern player on pitch and not even getting 1 red card?
Shameless fanbase.
2. Portugal has reached the semifinal of world cup twice. In both of those tournaments Ronaldo wasn't the team's main man.
Eusebio led his team to a WC semifinal scoring 8 goals, something Ronaldo can only dream of.
Yes portugal had no trophies before this era, but there is a reason why this era was considered the golden one for portugal.
Pepe, Nani, quaresma were very good players who played for portugal.
You bring up EURO 16, as if Ronaldo had a massive contribution? 3 goals and 2 assists, all coming against Hungary and Wales, none of them ranked in top 20 by FIFA. Ghosted in the big games vs france, croatia, poland.
Wasn't even rated as top 15 players in that tournament.
He literally has 0 goals in the finals of international tournament and has 0 international player of tournament While messi has 4 international player of tournament. 2 in world cups and 2 in Copa america.
Bums? Pretty much sums how much of a but and a clown you are.
And 6 penalties? Tf you smoking on lil bro?
And wasn't Ronaldo given 3 penalties in euro 2021? The main reason he won top goalscorer in that tournament was penalties, his first and last such award in a major international tournament .
And lemme remind you, portugal qualified in ro16 in euro 2016 based on a "formality" by uefa. They were 3rd in their group. So much for being unbiased.
Ffs.
3. Messi closer to neymar? Lmao the mental damage messi gave a certain fanbase after winning the WC is crazy.
System player has most goal contribution this season in club+ country. He has 35 g/a in 33 games in europe. More than your great mbappe, the young GOAT, and both play in the same league.
He has most assists this season tied with kdb, he has most big chances created, most dribbles this season. But yeah, system player.
And didn't system player win the WC while also winning 5 MOTM, and WC best player? And no, not because of penalties, but due to his world class performance beside them. Ever seen a game of football? Messi got 2 otherworldly assists vs 2 of the best youngsters in the world in quarters and semis.
Where was Ronaldo vs morocco? Missing 1v1 against bounou? Where was he against uruguay in 2018? Where was he against lyon, porto, Ajax? Scoring tap ins and ghosting 90 minutes?
Ronaldo WC career is getting bullied by other teams in the KOs. 0 WC KO goal contribution. Lol.
Messi left leg has more legacy than Ronaldo and his crybaby fanbase that shed tears and call any trophy messi wins as rigged.
The factors that define a footballer are:
1. Goalscoring : Tie(Statistically Messi is a better goalscorer. Better goal ratio, finishing efficiency, accuracy, free kicks , lesser big chnaces missed, more outside the box goals, more solo goals, better hattrick ratio and higher g-xg, which is the most important stat. Still, Ronaldo is more versatile as a goalscorer, and more complete due to his aerial prowess and shot power. So a tie is genuine)
2. Passing: Messi
3. Playmaking: Messi
4. Dribbling: Messi
5. Defending: (Messi has more presses/90, tackles/90, and in general contributes more defensively. Ronaldo does have more aerial duels, clearances, but messi still wins here)
6. Physical attributes: Ronaldo, no question(strength, jumping, speed etc etc)
7. Trophies: Except UCL, Messi leads Ronaldo everywhere in trophies. So Messi wins here
8. Leadership: Messi, he is literally a WC winning captain. No arguments here
9. Impact on team: Messi, he has more MOTM and his team tends to perform worse without him(barca won 0 matches in 8 fixtures when messi left. Madrid won UCL 4 years after ronaldo and united is killing it rn )
10. Big game player: Messi(Ronaldo has 0 g/a in the most important tournament knockout, while messi has 5 goals in this WC alone lol. Plus messi has more goals in finals and against top 2,3,4,5,6 teams in europe)
11. Adaptability: Ronaldo
So in general, messi wins.
Ronaldo is a legend, but he doesn't come near messi.
Now, please reply sensibly and don't use popularity and richness as a means of determining who is better ffs...
Ronaldo has been a striker since leaving 2015. He had to change his playstyle from winger to striker due to some knee issue. Proof can be seen through heatmaps.
Still messi has more goals fron 2015-23 even though messi has been a playmaker for past 5 years.
Ronaldo has played with legendary midfielders, defenders and gks throughout his career. Let's name a few:
Man Utd: Tevez, Rooney, scholes, park ji sung, Rio, vidic
Real madrid: Kaka, ozil, di maria, kroos, modric, casemiro, ramos, Marcelo, bale, benzema, courtois
Portugal: bruno, Nani, quaresma, pepe, Patricio, Carvalho
He also has most number of big chances missed in history. Ronaldo also played with ozil, who exceeded even messi in assist numbers in his prime. Also with di maria, who is assist king.
Messi has won an international treble outside Barcelona brother.1 WC, 1 CoPA america, 1 finallisma, 1 Olympic gold, 1 ligue 1(soon to be 2) considering he won most of this in only 2 seasons outside Barcelona, it's exceptional.
Penalties? Ronaldo 18% goals from penalties.
Messi 12% goals from penalty
Messi last 7 seasons 25 penalty goals and 27 free kick goals.
More fk than penalty since 2015.
Messi has more non penalty goals than Ronaldo as well.
I suggest you watch "Goodly Rogue Messi vs Ronaldo"
He uses indepth stats to analyze who is better and doesn't use hollow arguments like you. Have a good day.
Ronaldo is by far the most overrated player of this generation and yall clowns are the reason.
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Original post by daryl11
CR7 is the greatest. Put Ronaldo in that Barcelona side from the beginning and he would be on 1000 goals rn. People forget ronaldo had 0 goals in 30 champions league appearances. To go from that to the all time champions league top scorer is ridiculous. Also has the most goals in history. Greatest clutch player of all time. Leader and motivator. No one tops CR7
L take. Idk why we have to consider time periods in football which favour Ronaldo.
"Put Ronaldo in that barca side"
How did u come up with this assumption? Pulled it out of your ar.e?
Like ffs, Ronaldo played with prime real madrid and the most expensive side of madrid in history. He played with the greatest united side ever in history.
And people say as if messi has played in prime barca all his career.
From 2016 onwards, Messi scored 35+ goals in ucl for barca.
Do you know who scored 2nd most? Own goals. Yes own goals contributed more goals than suarez or any of Messi's teammates.
And people say Messi had it easy. Still messi got more goals and assists from 2016-2018 than Ronaldo even though Ronaldo played in a much more superior squad.
And why will we exclude his first 30 games? Isn't that biased? Why picking time frames that favour Ronaldo?
And why do yall never talk about any stats apart from goals?
How does a ball reach the net? Magically someone picks it up and scores?
Messi, as a fact, is better.
Messi has higher VAEP than Ronaldo, almost twice as much
This shows he contributes much more offensively than Ronaldo.
Impact on the game? Messi: Most MOTM in history.
The factors that define a footballer are:
1. Goalscoring : Tie(Statistically Messi is a better goalscorer. Better goal ratio, finishing efficiency, accuracy, free kicks , lesser big chnaces missed, more outside the box goals, more solo goals, better hattrick ratio and higher g-xg, which is the most important stat. Still, Ronaldo is more versatile as a goalscorer, and more complete due to his aerial prowess and shot power. So a tie is genuine)
2. Passing: Messi
3. Playmaking: Messi
4. Dribbling: Messi
5. Defending: (Messi has more presses/90, tackles/90, and in general contributes more defensively. Ronaldo does have more aerial duels, clearances, but messi still wins here)
6. Physical attributes: Ronaldo, no question(strength, jumping, speed etc etc)
7. Trophies: Except UCL, Messi leads Ronaldo everywhere in trophies. So Messi wins here
8. Leadership: Messi, he is literally a WC winning captain. No arguments here
9. Impact on team: Messi, he has more MOTM and his team tends to perform worse without him(barca won 0 matches in 8 fixtures when messi left. Madrid won UCL 4 years after ronaldo and united is killing it rn )
10. Big game player: Messi(Ronaldo has 0 g/a in the most important tournament knockout, while messi has 5 goals in this WC alone lol. Plus messi has more goals in finals and against top 2,3,4,5,6 teams in europe)
11. Adaptability: Ronaldo
So in general, messi wins.
Ronaldo is a legend, but he doesn't come near messi.
I suggest you watch "Goodly Rogue Messi vs Ronaldo"
He uses indepth stats to analyze who is better and doesn't use hollow arguments like you. Have a good day.
Most goals? 20 more goals than Messi while playing 140 more games. Ffs.
Leader? Throwing armband around, is not leading, its called whining.
What has Ronaldo achieved as a club captain? Nothing.
Messi has played almost 4 seasons as club captain, winning 2 la liga, single handedly carrying his team to ucl semi final, multiple cdr, supercopa.
Also, messi is a world cup winning captain.
If that alone doesn't prove that he is a better leader, then good luck, u need help.
Ronaldo is easily top 5 every but doesn't lace Messi's boots.
Messi is the GOAT of modern generation. Nobody, (and yes you can keep whining about robbed ballon d or and WC, as Ronaldo crybabies always do) comes close.
Pele similarly was the GOAT of the oldest generation of football.
Honestly it's messi or pele.
1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. CR7
5. Cruyff
Pele similarly was the GOAT of the oldest generation of football.
Honestly it's messi or pele.
1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. CR7
5. Cruyff
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Original post by jonjoshelveygoat
before ronaldo - 3 world cups, 3 euros
after ronaldo - 5 world cups, 5 euros
Messi was in a team who had nearly won the world cup before him more than Portugal had ever qualified for the damn thing, know what your talking about before you comment lmao
Argentina got 6 penalties, none of them were even reviewed / looked at by VAR, messi's 2nd goal in the final should of been disallowed as 2 subs were on the pitch. Pay attention to the game instead of jerking off into a coma looking at messi do a few faints and you might spot it
Until 2020 Portugal had put together teams comprised of Danny and Fabio Coentrao as star men for Ronaldo in his prime where he still dragged them to major tournaments where without him they would of been hopeless.
Portugal had one of the strongest teams on paper in 2022. Messi had one for 2010, 2014, 2018, 2022 as well as was the strongest team in all of the 3 consecutive copa americas he bottled which led to him retiring lmao
Ronaldo carried portugal, not in the final in 2016 of course, but without him they would of been grouped. Ronaldo carried Madrid more than Messi carried barcelona when they were both in la liga, no doubt - If you disagree you are idiotic to say the least as comparing the teams to look at 4 UCLs won while they were never the strongest team on paper and were carried in big moments by Ronaldo e.g Wolfsburg, Juventus, Man United, Bayern, Athletico The list goes on, Messi is a la liga merchant - On the UCL stage, the biggest in club football, he has a legacy which is outshone by Ronaldo's 10 fold.
Messi scored penalties and a lot of them, actual goals he didn't do much - He was not the POTT if you watched the games, Mbappe was so much better
Star studded, yes
But to compare that to the Barcelona side Messi played in is ridiculous. They were never the favourites in the UCL nor the league and countless times in the UCL ronaldo had to score 2 or 3 in the second leg to get them through - Ronaldo played in a great side, comparable with many top teams but Messi played in the best ever team with Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Puyol, Dani Alves and then later with the best striker of the generation in Suarez. Messi has been blessed with having the strongest teams ever assembled around him, Ronaldo hasn't.
First of all how you wrote that makes you just look like a massive loser, like not even being ironic I just read that and think your a neek.
The most important stat in football is goals per game, how good are you at performing - Assists is a useless statistic that was barely looked at before Messi fans realised that the guy isn't as good at Ronaldo at what really matters.
Ronaldo had a higher goals to game in 2007, 8, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, 21
Messi had a higher goals to game in 2009, 12, 18, 19, 20, 22
Bottler goes further than finals. look at ronaldo in big UCL knockout games in the RO16, QF, SF where he would often score 2 or 3 to take his side through - Messi could never come close to replicating that, he is often anonymous in those stages of a competition and after 2011 barely even got to the UCL final as he simply couldn't hang in the big moments - where was the guy against Roma in 2018? Liverpool in 2019? Juventus in 2017? Bayern in 2013? Bayern in 2021? When it mattered he was missing leading to his barcelona side, particularly after the best 3 midfielders in the world either fell off or left, being embarrased on the biggest stage with messi showing nothing.
Ronaldo is a big game player - Messi is a man who has the highest ever peak in 2012 but after that year failed to perform in the big moments and he is the man responsibile for taking Barcelona to Europa lea.gue regulars
after ronaldo - 5 world cups, 5 euros
Messi was in a team who had nearly won the world cup before him more than Portugal had ever qualified for the damn thing, know what your talking about before you comment lmao
Argentina got 6 penalties, none of them were even reviewed / looked at by VAR, messi's 2nd goal in the final should of been disallowed as 2 subs were on the pitch. Pay attention to the game instead of jerking off into a coma looking at messi do a few faints and you might spot it
Until 2020 Portugal had put together teams comprised of Danny and Fabio Coentrao as star men for Ronaldo in his prime where he still dragged them to major tournaments where without him they would of been hopeless.
Portugal had one of the strongest teams on paper in 2022. Messi had one for 2010, 2014, 2018, 2022 as well as was the strongest team in all of the 3 consecutive copa americas he bottled which led to him retiring lmao
Ronaldo carried portugal, not in the final in 2016 of course, but without him they would of been grouped. Ronaldo carried Madrid more than Messi carried barcelona when they were both in la liga, no doubt - If you disagree you are idiotic to say the least as comparing the teams to look at 4 UCLs won while they were never the strongest team on paper and were carried in big moments by Ronaldo e.g Wolfsburg, Juventus, Man United, Bayern, Athletico The list goes on, Messi is a la liga merchant - On the UCL stage, the biggest in club football, he has a legacy which is outshone by Ronaldo's 10 fold.
Messi scored penalties and a lot of them, actual goals he didn't do much - He was not the POTT if you watched the games, Mbappe was so much better
Star studded, yes
But to compare that to the Barcelona side Messi played in is ridiculous. They were never the favourites in the UCL nor the league and countless times in the UCL ronaldo had to score 2 or 3 in the second leg to get them through - Ronaldo played in a great side, comparable with many top teams but Messi played in the best ever team with Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Puyol, Dani Alves and then later with the best striker of the generation in Suarez. Messi has been blessed with having the strongest teams ever assembled around him, Ronaldo hasn't.
First of all how you wrote that makes you just look like a massive loser, like not even being ironic I just read that and think your a neek.
The most important stat in football is goals per game, how good are you at performing - Assists is a useless statistic that was barely looked at before Messi fans realised that the guy isn't as good at Ronaldo at what really matters.
Ronaldo had a higher goals to game in 2007, 8, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, 21
Messi had a higher goals to game in 2009, 12, 18, 19, 20, 22
Bottler goes further than finals. look at ronaldo in big UCL knockout games in the RO16, QF, SF where he would often score 2 or 3 to take his side through - Messi could never come close to replicating that, he is often anonymous in those stages of a competition and after 2011 barely even got to the UCL final as he simply couldn't hang in the big moments - where was the guy against Roma in 2018? Liverpool in 2019? Juventus in 2017? Bayern in 2013? Bayern in 2021? When it mattered he was missing leading to his barcelona side, particularly after the best 3 midfielders in the world either fell off or left, being embarrased on the biggest stage with messi showing nothing.
Ronaldo is a big game player - Messi is a man who has the highest ever peak in 2012 but after that year failed to perform in the big moments and he is the man responsibile for taking Barcelona to Europa lea.gue regulars
1. This dude be talking so much ****, forgetting Ronaldo played in real madrid, a club that has 14 ucl in it's history, and won a ucl 3 seasons after ronaldo left lol.
2. 6 penalties? Am I tripping or are you consuming copium? All penalties except the france and croatia penalty went under VAR review.
And before you start meat.... Ronaldo, unless play is affected by players on pitch, goals aren't withdrew. Stop copy pasting twitter ******** here.
Also, French players were clowning around on the field. No arguments for that I suppose? And rigged world cup? How f...g shameless are you? Argentina recieved 5 penalties, out of which 4 were scored. Out of these, only 2 penalties would actually change the result of the final game.
Btw, which team was punished the most? Argnetina conceived 2 penalties in this competition, which is the highest. They also received most bookings, highest. Also, how do you rig 2 penalty shootouts?
Except the poland penalty, not a single one was unfair. They were soft, not unfair.
Netherlands continuously recieved free kicks at edge of box but that is fair cause it ain't argentina.
Ronaldo fangirls always do this clownhousery, until their turn comes up. What about the 2 offside goals of Ronaldo in UCL? What about unfair vidal red card? What about unfair penalty to madrid vs juventus? What about casemiro ki...ng every bayern player on pitch and not even getting 1 red card?
And to your point of mbappe deserving Pott. The shamelessness Ronaldo fans portray is laughable. Remind me of mbappe contribution vs England. Where was he until 80th minute vs argentina?
Messi vs mbappe in the world cup:
Goals: mbappe
Non penalty goals: mbappe
MOTM: Messi
Chance created: Messi
Assist, xA: Messi
Dribbles: Mbappe
Outside the box goals: Messi
Key passes: Messi
Ball carries: Messi
Ball recoveries: Messi
xG: Messi
Shots taken: Mbappe
xT: Messi
In and all both were quite equal, but messi performed in each and every KO stage match. Even without his penalties vs croatia or Netherlands, he provided 2 otherworldly assists. While mbappe was non existent in England game and had a minute contribution vs morocco.
And when Zidane won it in 2006 for scoring 3 goals out of which 2 were penalties, nobody batted an eye. Cry now.
3. Again, lies. Pepe, Nani, quaresma all were vital in victory of portugal in euro 2016. Already debunked this in my earlier answer.
4. Without him they would be grouped? By that logic messi also carried argentina out of group stage in 2014? But again that is messi bottling lol.
5. Your clowny arguments on messi having a strong squad in 2014,2018 just shows me all I have to know about you.
6. Only dumb ronaldo fanboys will say goals and goals per game are the only crucial stat in football. This basically sums up why half of them never see a game of football and get their ball knowledge from twitter and reels.
7. Ronaldo carried madrid? More than Messi? That explains why messi had more MOTM, more bcc, key passes, VAEP, xT, g-xG, more golden boots, ballon d ors than Ronaldo. That also explains why barca went out of ucl 2 seasons in a row after messi left while madrid won a ucl 4 seasons later, while taking 0 group stage elimination.
8. Once again Ronaldo fans waffling outta there face. Messi has a bigger goals per game In their whole career. Why don't you show that stat? And why are assist useless? Cause they don't suit the tap in merchant? Lol
Messi contributes 10 more things on the pitch apart from goals.
Get some ball knowledge. Only tap in merchant believe football is solely goals. The ball doesn't reach the other side of net by flying. Build up, carries, recoveries, presses, passes, creativity, positioning are important and messi dominates in all these over Ronaldo.
If you seriously think goal ratio is the most important stat(in which messi dominates, again. I would rather look at their whole careers rather than looking at a few select years that you pick lol.)
And has messi played a striker since 2018? No, he has been a predominant playmaker as evident from heatmaps. Guess who has more goals since then? Messi.
9. What has Ronaldo done without prime united and madrid in ucl? Bottled vs ajax in 2019, lyon in 2020, porto in 2021,bayern in 2013, atletico madrid in 2022. Atleast messi is losing to clubs that eventually won the UCL later on. Ronaldo literally bottled vs small and sh!t teams like these.
Shameless fraud has 0 goal contribution in WC ko stages. The actual system player who can't do **** without a good squad build around him.
And yes, messi's career isn't golden. His biggest negative is his cl losses vs the clubs you named. But again, you can't use these as a sole basis of ruling out the fact that Messi has better stats in 90% of areas and fields than Ronaldo.
Shall I remind you that Ronaldo has 0 WC g/a in KO stages? This clearly shows he is a system player, who can't do **** without legendary midfielders like scholes, ji sung, modric, kroos, casemiro.
Ronaldo is a big game player? While messi has the better record vs top 2,3,4,5 teams in the league. He is better against english top clubs. He has more goals in finals. He has better record in head 2 head. He has the most goals vs the brazil and real madrid.
He also has most g/a in WC and WC ko stages.
And how is messi responsible for taking barca to Europa league? Your shameless clownhousery doesn't extend to manutd? Ronaldo took United from 2nd to 6th. Took juventus from 9 times league champions to 4th in league. Killed the career of dybala.
The most overrated and self centered player ever.
Your tears about messi robbing wc, copa america, and ballon d ors won't change the fact that he is the only player to have completed football.
Goals are not the only statistic in football that determine how good a forward is. If you do think that way, I feel pity for you. Madrid and United fans need to open their eyes and see for who the GOAT is.
Finally, watch Goodly Rogue's video on Messi vs ronaldo. He gives a much more detailed analysis on this topic, and isn't biased towards the sole statistic of goals.
Ronaldo is the greatest goalscorer ever.
Messi is the greatest footballer.
As the great Johann Cruyff said,"There is a huge difference between a great footballer and a great goalscorer "
Messi is the eternal GOAT along with Maradona and pele, and no amount of fake hate and baseless arguments will change that.
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Original post by jonjoshelveygoat
Messi scores a tap in which should of been disallowed and a penalty which wasn't checked by VAR and the world shouts goat
Ronaldo does it and its a lucky goal and we should stop looking at what he is doing and instead talk about how many assists Messi has against Real Betis and Eibar this season
Ronaldo does it and its a lucky goal and we should stop looking at what he is doing and instead talk about how many assists Messi has against Real Betis and Eibar this season
"Messi scores a tap in which should have been disallowed" 🤡🤡
The delusions are big on this one. Mental damage since the 18th December 2022.
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Original post by Driving_Mad
Apparently during the entire World Cup Messi was the best player which is fair. Mbappe is 23 and 12 years younger than Messi (about to turn 24).
He’ll be the best player of the current generation but probably won’t surpass or reach the greatness of Ronaldo or Messi. He needs to leave PSG first, even though winning the Champions League with them would be great for his legacy.
Did you watch Pele play to rank him as the GOAT? Not hating by the way but I don’t understand how people can rate players they have never watched play because they are too young or weren’t allowed to watch games beyond a certain time.
Ronaldo is 2 years older than Messi. He was one of the top scorers in an average Man United team at the age of 36/37. He wasn’t fit for the tournament because he has hardly played for Man United. I’m pretty sure Messi didn’t even score double figure goals last season for PSG.
One of the best posts I have read here for a long time. Ronaldo always delivered in the most crucial moments throughout his career. Especially in the Champions League during his peak.
I think most of these posters missed these games because they had to go to bed because I don’t know why they are ignoring this.
Portugal struggled to produce any top players for about 20 years until Ronaldo arose. Remember he is the most clutch player of all time, like his hat trick against Spain in the World Cup 2018.
Were you an accountant in your previous occultation ? Stats don’t tell half the story.
There will be 100 more Messi’s in our lifetime, but never 1 more Ronaldo.
Messi has been fortunate to play in star-studded teams dominating the ball in Barcelona and PSG. He wouldn’t have done what Ronaldo did at Man United at the age of 36/37 in the Premier League at an average team with Fred and Mctominay as midfielders.
The Real Madrid team Ronaldo played in was definitely worse than Messi’s Barcelona. Kaka only spent a few years there and was a disappointment. Alonso was average and lost his place to a young Casemiro. Rodriguez and Di Maria were decent players. Modric and Kronos were good but can’t be compared to Xavi and Iniesta.
Messi has went missing on most big occasions apart from the 2022 World Cup. For example against Bayern Munich in the Champions League a few years ago, Liverpool in 2019, Roma in 2018, etc. There’s a reason why Messi has less Champions League than Ronaldo in 3 seasons than Messi has won during his entire career.
He’ll be the best player of the current generation but probably won’t surpass or reach the greatness of Ronaldo or Messi. He needs to leave PSG first, even though winning the Champions League with them would be great for his legacy.
Did you watch Pele play to rank him as the GOAT? Not hating by the way but I don’t understand how people can rate players they have never watched play because they are too young or weren’t allowed to watch games beyond a certain time.
Ronaldo is 2 years older than Messi. He was one of the top scorers in an average Man United team at the age of 36/37. He wasn’t fit for the tournament because he has hardly played for Man United. I’m pretty sure Messi didn’t even score double figure goals last season for PSG.
One of the best posts I have read here for a long time. Ronaldo always delivered in the most crucial moments throughout his career. Especially in the Champions League during his peak.
I think most of these posters missed these games because they had to go to bed because I don’t know why they are ignoring this.
Portugal struggled to produce any top players for about 20 years until Ronaldo arose. Remember he is the most clutch player of all time, like his hat trick against Spain in the World Cup 2018.
Were you an accountant in your previous occultation ? Stats don’t tell half the story.
There will be 100 more Messi’s in our lifetime, but never 1 more Ronaldo.
Messi has been fortunate to play in star-studded teams dominating the ball in Barcelona and PSG. He wouldn’t have done what Ronaldo did at Man United at the age of 36/37 in the Premier League at an average team with Fred and Mctominay as midfielders.
The Real Madrid team Ronaldo played in was definitely worse than Messi’s Barcelona. Kaka only spent a few years there and was a disappointment. Alonso was average and lost his place to a young Casemiro. Rodriguez and Di Maria were decent players. Modric and Kronos were good but can’t be compared to Xavi and Iniesta.
Messi has went missing on most big occasions apart from the 2022 World Cup. For example against Bayern Munich in the Champions League a few years ago, Liverpool in 2019, Roma in 2018, etc. There’s a reason why Messi has less Champions League than Ronaldo in 3 seasons than Messi has won during his entire career.
Ronaldo fans have 0 ball knowledge.
"I’m pretty sure Messi didn’t even score double figure goals last season for PSG."
Messi has 15 goals and 14 assists this season. Yes, he was poor last season, but he has made a comeback.
Also, he has most g/a this season for club and country, while being in top 3 at club level. Has most g/a in league, ahead of mbappe.
"Why, is he your father ?"
From the posts I assume Ronaldo is yours?
"One of the best posts I have read here for a long time. Ronaldo always delivered in the most crucial moments throughout his career. Especially in the Champions League during his peak.
I think most of these posters missed these games because they had to go to bed because I don’t know why they are ignoring this."
Clown to clown convo.
And the irony of you calling other people a kid, while you are shedding tears yourself over Messi being clear is ironic.
Where was he in the most important tournament of them all? The world cup? And he has ghosted a lot of matches in the ucl. What is Ronaldo's record after leaving madrid in the ucl? Eliminations by **** clubs such as porto, lyon, Ajax, atletico madrid? None of these even made a final.
And In Messi’s prime he owned Bayern, city, Liverpool, Chelsea, man utd, real madrid, all in the CL.
But you will obviously look at the failures, while do the opposite for Ronaldo. Hypocrisy much?
"The Real Madrid team Ronaldo played in was definitely worse than Messi’s Barcelona. Kaka only spent a few years there and was a disappointment. Alonso was average and lost his place to a young Casemiro. Rodriguez and Di Maria were decent players. Modric and Kronos were good but can’t be compared to Xavi and Iniesta"
What are you on about? Madrid were absolutely insane from 2014-2018 and it's not even a debate.
Kroos, modric, casemiro all played in their absolute prime in those 4 seasons at madrid. Marcelo was an otherworldly left back, the defense was World class, better than barca ever had. The attack had prime bale, probably the most versatile and deadliest attacker in his prime for madrid.
Di maria also hit his best during the 2014s.
"Messi has went missing on most big occasions apart from the 2022 World Cup. For example against Bayern Munich in the Champions League a few years ago, Liverpool in 2019, Roma in 2018, etc. There’s a reason why Messi has less Champions League than Ronaldo in 3 seasons than Messi has won during his entire career"
Most? Ffs seriously dude?
Shall I start counting the ones where he didn't?
Lemme start with 2009 UCL final vs your tap in merchant. Or 2011 ucl semi final against the same fraud. Or the 2015 semi final vs bayern. Or the 2019 liverpool(he wasn't even bad in the 2nd leg, created 4 chances for the team ffs.), or the Napoli, dortmund, spurs, arsenal, Milan, Juventus matches throughout his career? Ffs.
You named 5 disappointments that Messi had, and it definitely is a dent, but not big enough to deny his brilliance in the countless other matches.
Shall I start naming international disappointment by Ronaldo?
Greece? Uruguay? Morocco? Grouped in 2014? Most of these aren't even great teams. Lol.
(edited 1 year ago)
Original post by CaptainDuckie
Mbappe is the best football player in the world right now. Forget about messi.
Messi has more goal contribution than him. Also messi won the WC POTT. Lol
Original post by Adityapande
Messi is the GOAT of modern generation. Nobody, (and yes you can keep whining about robbed ballon d or and WC, as Ronaldo crybabies always do) comes close.
Pele similarly was the GOAT of the oldest generation of football.
Honestly it's messi or pele.
1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. CR7
5. Cruyff
Pele similarly was the GOAT of the oldest generation of football.
Honestly it's messi or pele.
1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. CR7
5. Cruyff
No Mbappé? (in terms or current footballers) I'm no fan of football though.
(edited 1 year ago)
Original post by Talkative Toad
No Mbappé? (in terms or current footballers) I'm no fan of football though.
You think Mbappe is in the top 5 greatest footballers of all time ? He isn’t even in the top 30.
He can definitely make the list by the end of his career depending on what he does though. He can start off by leaving PSG, or guiding them to the Champions League. His international record is very good.
I have a feeling Mbappe might struggle in the Premier League a little more than let’s say Haaland though if he joined an English team. He will also likely tail off much sooner than Haaland since pace is one of his strongest attributes.
Original post by Driving_Mad
You think Mbappe is in the top 5 greatest footballers of all time ? He isn’t even in the top 30.
He can definitely make the list by the end of his career depending on what he does though. He can start off by leaving PSG, or guiding them to the Champions League. His international record is very good.
I have a feeling Mbappe might struggle in the Premier League a little more than let’s say Haaland though if he joined an English team. He will also likely tail off much sooner than Haaland since pace is one of his strongest attributes.
He can definitely make the list by the end of his career depending on what he does though. He can start off by leaving PSG, or guiding them to the Champions League. His international record is very good.
I have a feeling Mbappe might struggle in the Premier League a little more than let’s say Haaland though if he joined an English team. He will also likely tail off much sooner than Haaland since pace is one of his strongest attributes.
if you exclude retired footballers then maybe
Original post by Driving_Mad
You think Mbappe is in the top 5 greatest footballers of all time ? He isn’t even in the top 30.
He can definitely make the list by the end of his career depending on what he does though. He can start off by leaving PSG, or guiding them to the Champions League. His international record is very good.
I have a feeling Mbappe might struggle in the Premier League a little more than let’s say Haaland though if he joined an English team. He will also likely tail off much sooner than Haaland since pace is one of his strongest attributes.
He can definitely make the list by the end of his career depending on what he does though. He can start off by leaving PSG, or guiding them to the Champions League. His international record is very good.
I have a feeling Mbappe might struggle in the Premier League a little more than let’s say Haaland though if he joined an English team. He will also likely tail off much sooner than Haaland since pace is one of his strongest attributes.
It’s interesting with Mbappe as attributes and ability alone, he’s probably up there in the top 10, as he is the closest thing I’ve ever seen to the original Ronaldo.
The issue is playing in a farmers league is a waste of time and the attitude he has developed playing for them and alongside Neymar is ruining him.
I genuinely thought he would go on to be one of the greatest players we’ve ever seen when he broke through at Monaco, genuinely haven’t been that excited watching a player since Ronaldo at PSV.
He might still be able to pull it back but really needs to get out of that club and get back to being a hard running nightmare.
Original post by Zerforax
With Messi finally having won the only prize missing from his collection, has the debate been concluded?
863 club appearances with 706 goals. Played 195 for Argentina and 114 scored.
Club honours
Barcelona
Paris Saint-Germain
Argentina U20
Argentina U23
Argentina
Individual honours
[*]Ballon d'Or/FIFA Ballon d'Or: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2019, 2021
[*]FIFA World Player of the Year: 2009
[*]The Best FIFA Men's Player: 2019
[*]European Golden Shoe: 2009–10, 2011–12, 2012–13, 2016–17, 2017–18, 2018–19
[*]FIFA World Cup Golden Ball: 2014, 2022
[*]FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball: 2009, 2011
[*]Laureus World Sportsman of the Year: 2020
[*]La Liga Best Player: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2011–12, 2012–13, 2014–15
[*]Pichichi Trophy: 2009−10, 2011–12, 2012−13, 2016–17, 2017−18, 2018–19, 2019–20, 2020–21
863 club appearances with 706 goals. Played 195 for Argentina and 114 scored.
Club honours
Barcelona
•
Paris Saint-Germain
Argentina U20
Argentina U23
Argentina
Individual honours
[*]Ballon d'Or/FIFA Ballon d'Or: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2019, 2021
[*]FIFA World Player of the Year: 2009
[*]The Best FIFA Men's Player: 2019
[*]European Golden Shoe: 2009–10, 2011–12, 2012–13, 2016–17, 2017–18, 2018–19
[*]FIFA World Cup Golden Ball: 2014, 2022
[*]FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball: 2009, 2011
[*]Laureus World Sportsman of the Year: 2020
[*]La Liga Best Player: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2011–12, 2012–13, 2014–15
[*]Pichichi Trophy: 2009−10, 2011–12, 2012−13, 2016–17, 2017−18, 2018–19, 2019–20, 2020–21
[*]Messi could be one of the bests in football history. But the Black Pearl is the one and only GOAT to me and he'll remain always.
Original post by Talkative Toad
No Mbappé? (in terms or current footballers) I'm no fan of football though.
In terms of current mbappe is top 5, even though his form has fallen since the WC
Original post by Meheraj
[*]Messi could be one of the bests in football history. But the Black Pearl is the one and only GOAT to me and he'll remain always.
[*]True. From what I have heard, he dominated his era like no one. That is why it's nearly impossible to compare messi, Maradona, Pele.
Each the GOAT of their generation.
Original post by Adityapande
In terms of current mbappe is top 5, even though his form has fallen since the WC
Original post by Talkative Toad
if you only include current footballer players maybe
Obviously. That is why I wrote in terms of current.
Otherwise mbappe ain't even top 3 French players in history.
Original post by Adityapande
[*]True. From what I have heard, he dominated his era like no one. That is why it's nearly impossible to compare messi, Maradona, Pele.
Each the GOAT of their generation.
Each the GOAT of their generation.
[*]Only person who's got ball knowledge. W for you.
Original post by Adityapande
These Ronaldo fangirls are so dumb ffs. The delusions.
1. You absolute clown, messi literally played for an average argentina side in all 3 world cups . And took them to finals in 2 of them.
And Ronaldo fans love to use the stupid logic that because portugal had no history, and Ronaldo won them 1st title, that he is better.
By that logic, Ronaldo played in madrid where he won his majority of ucl. While madrid already has a history of winning ucls season in season out.
While messi won 4 ucl with a barca team that has 5 in it's history. Does that make messi's ucl legacy greater than Ronaldo? What is this clowny logic?
And rigged world cup? How f...king shameless are you? Argentina recieved 5 penalties, out of which 4 were scored. Out of these, only 2 penalties would actually change the result of the final game.
Btw, which team was punished the most? Argnetina conceived 2 penalties in this competition, which is the highest. They also received most bookings, highest. Also, how do you rig 2 penalty shootouts?
Except the poland penalty, not a single one was unfair. They were soft, not unfair.
Netherlands continuously recieved free kicks at edge of box but that is fair cause it ain't argentina.
Ronaldo fangirls always do this clownhousery, until their turn comes up. What about the 2 offside goals of Ronaldo in UCL? What about unfair vidal red card? What about unfair penalty to madrid vs juventus? What about casemiro killing every bayern player on pitch and not even getting 1 red card?
Shameless fanbase.
2. Portugal has reached the semifinal of world cup twice. In both of those tournaments Ronaldo wasn't the team's main man.
Eusebio led his team to a WC semifinal scoring 8 goals, something Ronaldo can only dream of.
Yes portugal had no trophies before this era, but there is a reason why this era was considered the golden one for portugal.
Pepe, Nani, quaresma were very good players who played for portugal.
You bring up EURO 16, as if Ronaldo had a massive contribution? 3 goals and 2 assists, all coming against Hungary and Wales, none of them ranked in top 20 by FIFA. Ghosted in the big games vs france, croatia, poland.
Wasn't even rated as top 15 players in that tournament.
He literally has 0 goals in the finals of international tournament and has 0 international player of tournament While messi has 4 international player of tournament. 2 in world cups and 2 in Copa america.
Bums? Pretty much sums how much of a but and a clown you are.
And 6 penalties? Tf you smoking on lil bro?
And wasn't Ronaldo given 3 penalties in euro 2021? The main reason he won top goalscorer in that tournament was penalties, his first and last such award in a major international tournament .
And lemme remind you, portugal qualified in ro16 in euro 2016 based on a "formality" by uefa. They were 3rd in their group. So much for being unbiased.
Ffs.
3. Messi closer to neymar? Lmao the mental damage messi gave a certain fanbase after winning the WC is crazy.
System player has most goal contribution this season in club+ country. He has 35 g/a in 33 games in europe. More than your great mbappe, the young GOAT, and both play in the same league.
He has most assists this season tied with kdb, he has most big chances created, most dribbles this season. But yeah, system player.
And didn't system player win the WC while also winning 5 MOTM, and WC best player? And no, not because of penalties, but due to his world class performance beside them. Ever seen a game of football? Messi got 2 otherworldly assists vs 2 of the best youngsters in the world in quarters and semis.
Where was Ronaldo vs morocco? Missing 1v1 against bounou? Where was he against uruguay in 2018? Where was he against lyon, porto, Ajax? Scoring tap ins and ghosting 90 minutes?
Ronaldo WC career is getting bullied by other teams in the KOs. 0 WC KO goal contribution. Lol.
Messi left leg has more legacy than Ronaldo and his crybaby fanbase that shed tears and call any trophy messi wins as rigged.
The factors that define a footballer are:
1. Goalscoring : Tie(Statistically Messi is a better goalscorer. Better goal ratio, finishing efficiency, accuracy, free kicks , lesser big chnaces missed, more outside the box goals, more solo goals, better hattrick ratio and higher g-xg, which is the most important stat. Still, Ronaldo is more versatile as a goalscorer, and more complete due to his aerial prowess and shot power. So a tie is genuine)
2. Passing: Messi
3. Playmaking: Messi
4. Dribbling: Messi
5. Defending: (Messi has more presses/90, tackles/90, and in general contributes more defensively. Ronaldo does have more aerial duels, clearances, but messi still wins here)
6. Physical attributes: Ronaldo, no question(strength, jumping, speed etc etc)
7. Trophies: Except UCL, Messi leads Ronaldo everywhere in trophies. So Messi wins here
8. Leadership: Messi, he is literally a WC winning captain. No arguments here
9. Impact on team: Messi, he has more MOTM and his team tends to perform worse without him(barca won 0 matches in 8 fixtures when messi left. Madrid won UCL 4 years after ronaldo and united is killing it rn )
10. Big game player: Messi(Ronaldo has 0 g/a in the most important tournament knockout, while messi has 5 goals in this WC alone lol. Plus messi has more goals in finals and against top 2,3,4,5,6 teams in europe)
11. Adaptability: Ronaldo
So in general, messi wins.
Ronaldo is a legend, but he doesn't come near messi.
Now, please reply sensibly and don't use popularity and richness as a means of determining who is better ffs...
Ronaldo has been a striker since leaving 2015. He had to change his playstyle from winger to striker due to some knee issue. Proof can be seen through heatmaps.
Still messi has more goals fron 2015-23 even though messi has been a playmaker for past 5 years.
Ronaldo has played with legendary midfielders, defenders and gks throughout his career. Let's name a few:
Man Utd: Tevez, Rooney, scholes, park ji sung, Rio, vidic
Real madrid: Kaka, ozil, di maria, kroos, modric, casemiro, ramos, Marcelo, bale, benzema, courtois
Portugal: bruno, Nani, quaresma, pepe, Patricio, Carvalho
He also has most number of big chances missed in history. Ronaldo also played with ozil, who exceeded even messi in assist numbers in his prime. Also with di maria, who is assist king.
Messi has won an international treble outside Barcelona brother.1 WC, 1 CoPA america, 1 finallisma, 1 Olympic gold, 1 ligue 1(soon to be 2) considering he won most of this in only 2 seasons outside Barcelona, it's exceptional.
Penalties? Ronaldo 18% goals from penalties.
Messi 12% goals from penalty
Messi last 7 seasons 25 penalty goals and 27 free kick goals.
More fk than penalty since 2015.
Messi has more non penalty goals than Ronaldo as well.
I suggest you watch "Goodly Rogue Messi vs Ronaldo"
He uses indepth stats to analyze who is better and doesn't use hollow arguments like you. Have a good day.
Ronaldo is by far the most overrated player of this generation and yall clowns are the reason.
1. You absolute clown, messi literally played for an average argentina side in all 3 world cups . And took them to finals in 2 of them.
And Ronaldo fans love to use the stupid logic that because portugal had no history, and Ronaldo won them 1st title, that he is better.
By that logic, Ronaldo played in madrid where he won his majority of ucl. While madrid already has a history of winning ucls season in season out.
While messi won 4 ucl with a barca team that has 5 in it's history. Does that make messi's ucl legacy greater than Ronaldo? What is this clowny logic?
And rigged world cup? How f...king shameless are you? Argentina recieved 5 penalties, out of which 4 were scored. Out of these, only 2 penalties would actually change the result of the final game.
Btw, which team was punished the most? Argnetina conceived 2 penalties in this competition, which is the highest. They also received most bookings, highest. Also, how do you rig 2 penalty shootouts?
Except the poland penalty, not a single one was unfair. They were soft, not unfair.
Netherlands continuously recieved free kicks at edge of box but that is fair cause it ain't argentina.
Ronaldo fangirls always do this clownhousery, until their turn comes up. What about the 2 offside goals of Ronaldo in UCL? What about unfair vidal red card? What about unfair penalty to madrid vs juventus? What about casemiro killing every bayern player on pitch and not even getting 1 red card?
Shameless fanbase.
2. Portugal has reached the semifinal of world cup twice. In both of those tournaments Ronaldo wasn't the team's main man.
Eusebio led his team to a WC semifinal scoring 8 goals, something Ronaldo can only dream of.
Yes portugal had no trophies before this era, but there is a reason why this era was considered the golden one for portugal.
Pepe, Nani, quaresma were very good players who played for portugal.
You bring up EURO 16, as if Ronaldo had a massive contribution? 3 goals and 2 assists, all coming against Hungary and Wales, none of them ranked in top 20 by FIFA. Ghosted in the big games vs france, croatia, poland.
Wasn't even rated as top 15 players in that tournament.
He literally has 0 goals in the finals of international tournament and has 0 international player of tournament While messi has 4 international player of tournament. 2 in world cups and 2 in Copa america.
Bums? Pretty much sums how much of a but and a clown you are.
And 6 penalties? Tf you smoking on lil bro?
And wasn't Ronaldo given 3 penalties in euro 2021? The main reason he won top goalscorer in that tournament was penalties, his first and last such award in a major international tournament .
And lemme remind you, portugal qualified in ro16 in euro 2016 based on a "formality" by uefa. They were 3rd in their group. So much for being unbiased.
Ffs.
3. Messi closer to neymar? Lmao the mental damage messi gave a certain fanbase after winning the WC is crazy.
System player has most goal contribution this season in club+ country. He has 35 g/a in 33 games in europe. More than your great mbappe, the young GOAT, and both play in the same league.
He has most assists this season tied with kdb, he has most big chances created, most dribbles this season. But yeah, system player.
And didn't system player win the WC while also winning 5 MOTM, and WC best player? And no, not because of penalties, but due to his world class performance beside them. Ever seen a game of football? Messi got 2 otherworldly assists vs 2 of the best youngsters in the world in quarters and semis.
Where was Ronaldo vs morocco? Missing 1v1 against bounou? Where was he against uruguay in 2018? Where was he against lyon, porto, Ajax? Scoring tap ins and ghosting 90 minutes?
Ronaldo WC career is getting bullied by other teams in the KOs. 0 WC KO goal contribution. Lol.
Messi left leg has more legacy than Ronaldo and his crybaby fanbase that shed tears and call any trophy messi wins as rigged.
The factors that define a footballer are:
1. Goalscoring : Tie(Statistically Messi is a better goalscorer. Better goal ratio, finishing efficiency, accuracy, free kicks , lesser big chnaces missed, more outside the box goals, more solo goals, better hattrick ratio and higher g-xg, which is the most important stat. Still, Ronaldo is more versatile as a goalscorer, and more complete due to his aerial prowess and shot power. So a tie is genuine)
2. Passing: Messi
3. Playmaking: Messi
4. Dribbling: Messi
5. Defending: (Messi has more presses/90, tackles/90, and in general contributes more defensively. Ronaldo does have more aerial duels, clearances, but messi still wins here)
6. Physical attributes: Ronaldo, no question(strength, jumping, speed etc etc)
7. Trophies: Except UCL, Messi leads Ronaldo everywhere in trophies. So Messi wins here
8. Leadership: Messi, he is literally a WC winning captain. No arguments here
9. Impact on team: Messi, he has more MOTM and his team tends to perform worse without him(barca won 0 matches in 8 fixtures when messi left. Madrid won UCL 4 years after ronaldo and united is killing it rn )
10. Big game player: Messi(Ronaldo has 0 g/a in the most important tournament knockout, while messi has 5 goals in this WC alone lol. Plus messi has more goals in finals and against top 2,3,4,5,6 teams in europe)
11. Adaptability: Ronaldo
So in general, messi wins.
Ronaldo is a legend, but he doesn't come near messi.
Now, please reply sensibly and don't use popularity and richness as a means of determining who is better ffs...
Ronaldo has been a striker since leaving 2015. He had to change his playstyle from winger to striker due to some knee issue. Proof can be seen through heatmaps.
Still messi has more goals fron 2015-23 even though messi has been a playmaker for past 5 years.
Ronaldo has played with legendary midfielders, defenders and gks throughout his career. Let's name a few:
Man Utd: Tevez, Rooney, scholes, park ji sung, Rio, vidic
Real madrid: Kaka, ozil, di maria, kroos, modric, casemiro, ramos, Marcelo, bale, benzema, courtois
Portugal: bruno, Nani, quaresma, pepe, Patricio, Carvalho
He also has most number of big chances missed in history. Ronaldo also played with ozil, who exceeded even messi in assist numbers in his prime. Also with di maria, who is assist king.
Messi has won an international treble outside Barcelona brother.1 WC, 1 CoPA america, 1 finallisma, 1 Olympic gold, 1 ligue 1(soon to be 2) considering he won most of this in only 2 seasons outside Barcelona, it's exceptional.
Penalties? Ronaldo 18% goals from penalties.
Messi 12% goals from penalty
Messi last 7 seasons 25 penalty goals and 27 free kick goals.
More fk than penalty since 2015.
Messi has more non penalty goals than Ronaldo as well.
I suggest you watch "Goodly Rogue Messi vs Ronaldo"
He uses indepth stats to analyze who is better and doesn't use hollow arguments like you. Have a good day.
Ronaldo is by far the most overrated player of this generation and yall clowns are the reason.
your idols team for most of his career got found out to be paying refs
your idol has had a higher goal to game ratio in 2 years in his career than ronaldo
I suggest you watch big games in the champions league, particularly without the full god squad with the greatest manager of his generation
4 - 0 LIV where was messi?
3 - 0 ROMA where was messi?
8 - 2 BAYERN where was messi?
3 - 0 JUVENTUS where was messi?
Your idol promises a lot and delivers nothing. He says we will win champions league he has some of the most embarrassing performances in champions league history and runs away to uber eats charity league to play against croissant companies and barbers for a trophy which I could win in that PSG team.
The GOAT doesn't just sit and watch his teams get dogged in the big games in the biggest tournament in the world
Ronaldo has more hatricks to overturn first leg losses in the UCL than your idol has big performances in big games
Give your idol growth hormone ref paying pessi 6 penalties in his little 7 game tournament or he will retire
The only way I will respect messi is if he does the right thing and :
- Returns his world cup medal to Mbappe who deserved it as he didnt score a goal with subs on the pitch
- Give back all his trophies from when barca were paying the refs (nearly the whole time)
- Give back his rigged balon dors (he can keep 2009, 2010 and 2012)
Your idol is a growth hormone merchant, I understand your probably quite short and want an idol your size but im afraid you are **** eating a midget who is lucky to be in the conversation with the greatest player in footballing history when he should be up there with Harry kane as he has no fair trophies
Original post by Adityapande
"Messi scores a tap in which should have been disallowed" 🤡🤡
The delusions are big on this one. Mental damage since the 18th December 2022.
The delusions are big on this one. Mental damage since the 18th December 2022.
The bench was on the pitch, it literally should of been
and thats ignoring the dreadful foul calls and not being sent off vs Holland
Original post by Adityapande
Messi is the GOAT of modern generation. Nobody, (and yes you can keep whining about robbed ballon d or and WC, as Ronaldo crybabies always do) comes close.
Pele similarly was the GOAT of the oldest generation of football.
Honestly it's messi or pele.
1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. CR7
5. Cruyff
Pele similarly was the GOAT of the oldest generation of football.
Honestly it's messi or pele.
1. Pele
2. Messi
3. Maradona
4. CR7
5. Cruyff
The actual list is this
1. CR7
2. Pele
3. Maradona
4. Cruyff
5. Messi
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