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UCAS points don't matter anymore

Hi lovelies,

I wanted to announce that for the most part graduate jobs no longer require UCAS requirements as part of the candidate screening process.

Popular banks, advisory, law, and tech firms no longer require them. Instead, they rely on psychometric tests to gauge your ability.

That means you are now selected based on your IQ.

Uni matters though, not necessarily where you studied but what you studied and achieved. This will likely change in the next few years too. I have no doubt that companies will rely solely on their own tests to examine whether a candidate is suitable.

I've seen cases where Eton-schooled and Cambridge-educated candidates don't pass the psychometric tests.

If you're an A-level student scared of future prospects based on results achieved at school, don't worry. If you have a high IQ you'll be gucci. If you don't, it's likely that no matter how well you do in your education, you won't be accepted.
(edited 1 year ago)
Original post by Glossed101
Hi lovelies,

I wanted to announce that for the most part graduate jobs no longer require UCAS requirements as part of the candidate screening process.

Popular banks, advisory, law, and tech firms no longer require them. Instead, they rely on psychometric tests to gauge your ability.

That means you are now selected based on your IQ.

Uni matters though, not necessarily where you studied but what you studied and achieved. This will likely change in the next few years too. I have no doubt that companies will rely solely on their own tests to examine whether a candidate is suitable.

I've seen cases where Eton-schooled and Cambridge-educated candidates don't pass the psychometric tests.

If you're an A-level student scared of future prospects based on results achieved at school, don't worry. If you have a high IQ you'll be gucci. If you don't, it's likely that no matter how well you do in your education, you won't be accepted.

A couple of things:

1. What has led you to make this "announcement"? Have you recently been applying for lots of graduate jobs and notes that none ask for information about UCAS points? Or do you work form an employment consultancy, and therefore know that this information isn't typically requested any more for that reason?

2. Psychometric tests are not IQ tests.
Original post by DataVenia
A couple of things:

1. What has led you to make this "announcement"? Have you recently been applying for lots of graduate jobs and notes that none ask for information about UCAS points? Or do you work form an employment consultancy, and therefore know that this information isn't typically requested any more for that reason?

2. Psychometric tests are not IQ tests.

1. I am currently in a grad scheme for a leading audit firm. They completely removed their UCAS requirements the year after I joined and other large firms have followed suit. I am currently looking to change careers, so I've applied to many banks and consultancy firms and for the most part, UCAS points are no longer a deciding factor in the candidate screening process.

2. They absolutely are. They are aptitude tests that aim to measure trait intelligence and cognitive ability.
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Original post by DataVenia
A couple of things:

1. What has led you to make this "announcement"? Have you recently been applying for lots of graduate jobs and notes that none ask for information about UCAS points? Or do you work form an employment consultancy, and therefore know that this information isn't typically requested any more for that reason?

2. Psychometric tests are not IQ tests.

Also, you'll notice firms that adopt psychometric tests, rarely rely on a candidate's CV. These tests serve as an initial screening method, rather than relying on UCAS points which are not an indicator of the type of intelligence they usually require.

As stated above, there are high-achieving students which are filtered out of the process from the beginning and if not then, at the interview stage, purely based on their aptitude test results.

Obviously, if you are an able student who has achieved brilliant A-level results and studied at a top university, it indicates a high IQ. Hence, they still mostly get through the psychometric tests. But not all hope is lost for those that don't perform as well in their post-16 schooling years.
Could you provide a source please? While I don't doubt that there's a lot of truth to this, it's very generalising.
Sure, here are a list of companies that no longer require UCAS requirements as part of their candidate screening process:

Popular banks:

https://www.hsbc.com/careers/students-and-graduates/find-a-programme?page=1&take=20&academic-status=phd-student-or-graduate|university-graduate|university-undergraduate&business-area=commercial-banking|digital-business-services|global-banking-and-markets|wealth-and-personal-banking&programme-type=global

https://search.jobs.barclays/graduates

https://jobs.natwestgroup.com/search/jobs

Popular advisory and audit firms:

https://www.pwc.co.uk/careers/early-careers/our-programmes/graduate-opportunities.html

https://www.ey.com/en_uk/careers/students/programmes/graduates

https://trainees.grantthornton.co.uk/faqs/

Tech firms:

https://careers.google.com/students/engineering-and-technical-internships/

https://www.metacareers.com/careerprograms/students/?p

https://www.amazon.jobs/en/teams/jobs-for-grads

I could go on, there are so many (lloyds, microsoft, Accenture etc...) . Interestingly, many of them have removed or reduced the emphasis on UCAS points in a fairly stealthy manner. All firms mentioned above are notoriously hard to get into and literally place little to no emphasis on UCAS points. This wasn't the case a year or two ago.

Mark my words, over the course of the next 5 years you'll find that many more will get rid of this requirement.
(edited 1 year ago)
Original post by Glossed101
I could go on, there are so many (lloyds, microsoft, Accenture etc...) . Interestingly, many of them have removed or reduced the emphasis on UCAS points in a fairly stealthy manner. All firms mentioned above are notoriously hard to get into and literally place little to no emphasis on UCAS points. This wasn't the case a year or two ago.

Mark my words, over the course of the next 5 years you'll find that many more will get rid of this requirement.


Did they ever have UCAS point requirements?! The whole concept of UCAS points feels very 00s to me I know there's still a tariff but I can't remember the last time I heard anyone actually refer to it. :rofl:

It's not uncommon to do name-blind or uni-blind recruitment though, especially in the public sector. When I'm advising people on applying to Cambridge I try to make sure that they're actually interested in the Cambridge setup and experience and not just the name at the end. I'm not sure my Cambridge degree gave me much, if any, advantage in the jobs market.
Original post by Saracen's Fez
Did they ever have UCAS point requirements?! The whole concept of UCAS points feels very 00s to me I know there's still a tariff but I can't remember the last time I heard anyone actually refer to it. :rofl:


Certainly large accounting firms did. I believe banks and legal jobs did also. I wasn't UCAS points in the sense of adding up all courses - it was generally calculated on best 3 A levels at first sitting.
Original post by Saracen's Fez
Did they ever have UCAS point requirements?! The whole concept of UCAS points feels very 00s to me I know there's still a tariff but I can't remember the last time I heard anyone actually refer to it. :rofl:

It's not uncommon to do name-blind or uni-blind recruitment though, especially in the public sector. When I'm advising people on applying to Cambridge I try to make sure that they're actually interested in the Cambridge setup and experience and not just the name at the end. I'm not sure my Cambridge degree gave me much, if any, advantage in the jobs market.

Yes, most firms required a minimum UCAS score based on the candidates top 3 A-level results. It was a way to filter candidates - some firms still use it. I think the reliance on psychometric tests is better and more representative of a candidates ability at problem solving, pattern recognition etc..

In the end of day, the Cambridge name is an asset and signals good things about your ability and dedication to get **** done. But I think it's importance is far more appreciated in academia and research now, rather than in industry or public practice.

The job market is saturated. Psychometric tests probably filter through far more candidates than UCAS points did.
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