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Hi my second year of university is worth 25% towards my overall degree classification. I averaged 59.66% rounded that is to 60% is a 2:1. With my 6 90 credit modules at 69,65,65,62,55,42 respectively. My third and final year is worth 75%. My university which is university of Hertfordshire takes the best 3 90 credits to consideration. Based on a estimate/prediction in one module I believe I’ll get 70%, another really depends on how I perform in the end of unit module exam as the previous three assessments I got 67.5% (2:1) and then 40% in the other two leaving my then average before adding another 40% 52% although I need this module to be a 2:1 overall what do I need in the exam especially based on my current average taking into consideration those 3 assessments and lastly the third and final module I believe I have a average overall of 50%. Is that i.e a 1st, 2:1 and a 2:2 enough for a 2:1 overall and what would my year average come to. I have Two separate 15 credit modules one passed at 40% and the other to be taken at referral/deferral and I could get a maximum of 50-55% since I have a deferred exam which maybe useful since I can use that module to replace the 42% in level 5.
Reply 1
Original post by Anonymous
Hi my second year of university is worth 25% towards my overall degree classification. I averaged 59.66% rounded that is to 60% is a 2:1. With my 6 90 credit modules at 69,65,65,62,55,42 respectively. My third and final year is worth 75%. My university which is university of Hertfordshire takes the best 3 90 credits to consideration. Based on a estimate/prediction in one module I believe I’ll get 70%, another really depends on how I perform in the end of unit module exam as the previous three assessments I got 67.5% (2:1) and then 40% in the other two leaving my then average before adding another 40% 52% although I need this module to be a 2:1 overall what do I need in the exam especially based on my current average taking into consideration those 3 assessments and lastly the third and final module I believe I have a average overall of 50%. Is that i.e a 1st, 2:1 and a 2:2 enough for a 2:1 overall and what would my year average come to. I have Two separate 15 credit modules one passed at 40% and the other to be taken at referral/deferral and I could get a maximum of 50-55% since I have a deferred exam which maybe useful since I can use that module to replace the 42% in level 5.

Your description is not only unclear (visually, it has completely put me off reading it - no paragraphs for example), but also sounds bafflingly complicated.

In my case, you have lost me from "My university which is university of Hertfordshire takes the best 3 90 credits to consideration" onwards.

I have various questions such as:

A standard year at university has 120 credits, 180 for a master's. Individual modules are usually 5-20 credits. How are you able to do 90 credit modules?

Assuming the number of credits is for show/weighting, what is the total number of credits you have in one year? 540?

The marks are all over the place, and I don't know what is referring to what. Please lay them out according to the modules they are supposed to be for e.g. which marks goes with which modules? I don't need to know the title of the modules, just the marks.

Do all the modules have the same number of credits?


Make things clearer, then I might be able to help with the calculations.
Reply 2
Original post by Anonymous
Your description is not only unclear (visually, it has completely put me off reading it - no paragraphs for example), but also sounds bafflingly complicated.

In my case, you have lost me from "My university which is university of Hertfordshire takes the best 3 90 credits to consideration" onwards.

I have various questions such as:

A standard year at university has 120 credits, 180 for a master's. Individual modules are usually 5-20 credits. How are you able to do 90 credit modules?

Assuming the number of credits is for show/weighting, what is the total number of credits you have in one year? 540?

The marks are all over the place, and I don't know what is referring to what. Please lay them out according to the modules they are supposed to be for e.g. which marks goes with which modules? I don't need to know the title of the modules, just the marks.

Do all the modules have the same number of credits?


Make things clearer, then I might be able to help with the calculations.

Level 6 was made up of 5 module 2 being 15 credit and 3 being 30 credit so double the value.

Total number of credits from level 5 was 120. Total number of credits from level 6 was 120. So 240 credits from both although to classify the degree your 6 best 15 credits from level 5 and the best 90 credits at level 6 are considered.

Module A: The estimated/predicted of 70% (1st)
Module B: 67.5% (2:1), 40%, 40% (3rd) average of 52% although with a pending exam what would be need to achieve a 59% or up for a 2:1 in that module overall.
Module C: 50%
Module D: 40%
Module E: 40%.
Neither Module D or E can substitute the 42% earned in Level 5.

A-C have 30 credits
D-E have 15 credits
Reply 3
Original post by Anonymous
Level 6 was made up of 5 module 2 being 15 credit and 3 being 30 credit so double the value.

Total number of credits from level 5 was 120. Total number of credits from level 6 was 120. So 240 credits from both although to classify the degree your 6 best 15 credits from level 5 and the best 90 credits at level 6 are considered.

Module A: The estimated/predicted of 70% (1st)
Module B: 67.5% (2:1), 40%, 40% (3rd) average of 52% although with a pending exam what would be need to achieve a 59% or up for a 2:1 in that module overall.
Module C: 50%
Module D: 40%
Module E: 40%.
Neither Module D or E can substitute the 42% earned in Level 5.

A-C have 30 credits
D-E have 15 credits

Thanks for neatening it up, but I am still puzzled by a few things.

Module A: The estimated/predicted of 70% (1st)
Congrats. I just had to say it.

Module B: 67.5% (2:1), 40%, 40% (3rd) average of 52% although with a pending exam what would be need to achieve a 59% or up for a 2:1 in that module overall.
Are all these grades equal weighting? How much weight is the exam? If you already know you need to achieve a 59% to geta 2:1 in this module, then I don't need to meantion much about it.

Neither Module D or E can substitute the 42% earned in Level 5.
I don't think you would since they are at 40% and the module at level 5 is a 42%

to classify the degree your 6 best 15 credits from level 5 and the best 90 credits at level 6 are considered.
Considering the above comments, then this sentence confuses me a bit.
Your best 90 credits at level 6 are Modules A-C (assuming you get a 59% in the exam for B), so Modules D and E are irrelevant.
Your 6 best 15 credits at level 5 are the only 6 grades that you have got from level 5 (you didn't provide information on any other units, or there aren't any), so the phrasing of your best 6 is redundant and confusing.

I would then assume the following:

1.

Whatever grades you got at level 5 would be as they are and are worth 25% of the total grade for the degree

2.

Your best units the composes the 90 credit criteria would form the 75% of the total grade for the degree

If the above is the correct interpretation of how you would be graded...

Using final grade = weight1*grade1+ weight2*grade2+...
Final grade = 0.25*(69+ 65+ 65+ 62+ 55+ 42)/6 + 0.75(70 + 60 + 50)/3
= 14.916666666666666666666666666667 + 45 = 59.916.... or just under a 2:1
If you want to ramp this up to secure a 2:1, then you would need to do what you can to get higher marks in Module A and B (assuming you can't do anything about the other modules).

If any of the assumptions of the above are incorrect, then the calculations would be off. You would need to clarify the above in order for me to correct the calculations.
Reply 4
Original post by Anonymous
Thanks for neatening it up, but I am still puzzled by a few things.

Module A: The estimated/predicted of 70% (1st)
Congrats. I just had to say it.

Module B: 67.5% (2:1), 40%, 40% (3rd) average of 52% although with a pending exam what would be need to achieve a 59% or up for a 2:1 in that module overall.
Are all these grades equal weighting? How much weight is the exam? If you already know you need to achieve a 59% to geta 2:1 in this module, then I don't need to meantion much about it.

Neither Module D or E can substitute the 42% earned in Level 5.
I don't think you would since they are at 40% and the module at level 5 is a 42%

to classify the degree your 6 best 15 credits from level 5 and the best 90 credits at level 6 are considered.
Considering the above comments, then this sentence confuses me a bit.
Your best 90 credits at level 6 are Modules A-C (assuming you get a 59% in the exam for B), so Modules D and E are irrelevant.
Your 6 best 15 credits at level 5 are the only 6 grades that you have got from level 5 (you didn't provide information on any other units, or there aren't any), so the phrasing of your best 6 is redundant and confusing.

I would then assume the following:

1.

Whatever grades you got at level 5 would be as they are and are worth 25% of the total grade for the degree

2.

Your best units the composes the 90 credit criteria would form the 75% of the total grade for the degree

If the above is the correct interpretation of how you would be graded...

Using final grade = weight1*grade1+ weight2*grade2+...
Final grade = 0.25*(69+ 65+ 65+ 62+ 55+ 42)/6 + 0.75(70 + 60 + 50)/3
= 14.916666666666666666666666666667 + 45 = 59.916.... or just under a 2:1
If you want to ramp this up to secure a 2:1, then you would need to do what you can to get higher marks in Module A and B (assuming you can't do anything about the other modules).

If any of the assumptions of the above are incorrect, then the calculations would be off. You would need to clarify the above in order for me to correct the calculations.

Module B exam is 25% the other 75% is split 3 ways in 25% each.
Reply 5
Original post by Anonymous
Module B exam is 25% the other 75% is split 3 ways in 25% each.


Am I interpreting the following correctly then?
25% weighting: 67.5%
25% weighting: 40%
25% weighting: 40%
25% weighting: whatever grade you get in your exam

If so, then the calculations that you have presented wouldn't make sense to get a 2:1 in module B.
Grade for module = weight1*grade1+weight2*grade2+...
= 0.25*67.5 + 0.25*40 +0.25*40 +0.25x = 36.875 +0.25x
For a 2:1
60 = 36.875 + 0.25x
23.125 = 0.25x
x = 92.5%
In other words, you need 92.5% in the exam to get an overall 2:1 for module B, not 59%.

If the above is interpreted incorrectly, can you show me your calculations to getting a 2:1 with a 59% grade in the exam?
Reply 6
Original post by Anonymous
Am I interpreting the following correctly then?
25% weighting: 67.5%
25% weighting: 40%
25% weighting: 40%
25% weighting: whatever grade you get in your exam

If so, then the calculations that you have presented wouldn't make sense to get a 2:1 in module B.
Grade for module = weight1*grade1+weight2*grade2+...
= 0.25*67.5 + 0.25*40 +0.25*40 +0.25x = 36.875 +0.25x
For a 2:1
60 = 36.875 + 0.25x
23.125 = 0.25x
x = 92.5%
In other words, you need 92.5% in the exam to get an overall 2:1 for module B, not 59%.

If the above is interpreted incorrectly, can you show me your calculations to getting a 2:1 with a 59% grade in the exam?


Your interpretation is most certainly correct. If for example in module A I score a higher average overall picking up more marks than expected could the marks needed in module B be reduced to get a 2:1?
Reply 7
If with these averages would I be able to achieve a 2:1 overall or what average in level 6 would I need to achieve a 2:1 having got 59.66% presumably 60% in level 5.
Reply 8
Original post by Anonymous
If with these averages would I be able to achieve a 2:1 overall or what average in level 6 would I need to achieve a 2:1 having got 59.66% presumably 60% in level 5.


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Reply 9
Original post by Anonymous
Your interpretation is most certainly correct. If for example in module A I score a higher average overall picking up more marks than expected could the marks needed in module B be reduced to get a 2:1?


Getting above a 70% is extremely difficult, if not rare. It's not impossible for mathematical modules, but if you're doing an essay based module you will very likely struggle (particularly in law modules, where it's said that getting anything above a 2:1 is statistically stacked against you).

I once spoke to a lecturer about getting marks higher than a 70%, and he joked back that achieving a 70% is incredibly good. If a well known nobel laurete did the same assignment that I did, he might be able to get an 83% (if he's lucky).

Using the same formulas and calculations above:
Final grade for degree = 0.25*(69+ 65+ 65+ 62+ 55+ 42)/6 + 0.75(A+ B+ 50)/3
= 14.916666666666666666666666666667 + 12.5 + 0.75(A+B)/3 (assuming you would get higher than 40 in modules A and B
= 27.4166666666666666666666666666667 + 0.75(A+B)/3

Module B's grade calculations
Grade for module = weight1*grade1+weight2*grade2+...
= 0.25*67.5 + 0.25*40 +0.25*40 +0.25x = 36.875 +0.25x
For a 2:1
60 = 36.875 + 0.25x
x = 92.5%

For 2:2
50 = 36.875 +0.25x
x = 52.5% (this is far more realistic)

Let's assume that you got a 60 in your exam: Grade for B = 36.875 + 0.25*60 = 51.875%
If you got 65%:Grade for B = 36.875 + 0.25*65 = 53.125%
If you scored a 70%: Grade for B = 36.875 + 0.25*65 = 54.375%
The differences isn't that much.

Final grade calculations
Let's be prudent and assume that you got a 60% for your exam in B:
Final grade for degree = 27.4166666666666666666666666666667 + 0.75(A+B)/3
= 27.41666... + 0.75(A+51.875)/3
= 40.3854166... + 0.75(A)/3
To get a 2:1...
60 = = 40.3854166... + 0.75(A)/3
19.6145834...= 0.75A/3
A = 78.4583336... in other words, you need to score well above a 1st class in module A in order to get a 2:1 overall in your degree if you manage to scrape by a 60% in your exam in module B.

If you got a 65% in your exam in module B...
Final grade for degree = 27.41666... + 0.75(A+53.125)/3
= 40.69791... + 0.75(A)/3
A = 77.20836% in order to geta 2:1 overall

If you got 70% in your exam in module B:
Final grade for degree = 27.41666... + 0.75(A+54.375)/3
= 41.010416... + 0.75(A)/3
A = 75.958336...% in order to get a 2:1

In the above scenarios, even if you try to max out your scores and get a 70% in the exam, you would still need to get something north of 75% in module A in order to get a 2:1.
In all likelihood, I would say getting a 2:2 in your degree is more likely.
Reply 10
Original post by Anonymous
Getting above a 70% is extremely difficult, if not rare. It's not impossible for mathematical modules, but if you're doing an essay based module you will very likely struggle (particularly in law modules, where it's said that getting anything above a 2:1 is statistically stacked against you).

I once spoke to a lecturer about getting marks higher than a 70%, and he joked back that achieving a 70% is incredibly good. If a well known nobel laurete did the same assignment that I did, he might be able to get an 83% (if he's lucky).

Using the same formulas and calculations above:
Final grade for degree = 0.25*(69+ 65+ 65+ 62+ 55+ 42)/6 + 0.75(A+ B+ 50)/3
= 14.916666666666666666666666666667 + 12.5 + 0.75(A+B)/3 (assuming you would get higher than 40 in modules A and B
= 27.4166666666666666666666666666667 + 0.75(A+B)/3

Module B's grade calculations
Grade for module = weight1*grade1+weight2*grade2+...
= 0.25*67.5 + 0.25*40 +0.25*40 +0.25x = 36.875 +0.25x
For a 2:1
60 = 36.875 + 0.25x
x = 92.5%

For 2:2
50 = 36.875 +0.25x
x = 52.5% (this is far more realistic)

Let's assume that you got a 60 in your exam: Grade for B = 36.875 + 0.25*60 = 51.875%
If you got 65%:Grade for B = 36.875 + 0.25*65 = 53.125%
If you scored a 70%: Grade for B = 36.875 + 0.25*65 = 54.375%
The differences isn't that much.

Final grade calculations
Let's be prudent and assume that you got a 60% for your exam in B:
Final grade for degree = 27.4166666666666666666666666666667 + 0.75(A+B)/3
= 27.41666... + 0.75(A+51.875)/3
= 40.3854166... + 0.75(A)/3
To get a 2:1...
60 = = 40.3854166... + 0.75(A)/3
19.6145834...= 0.75A/3
A = 78.4583336... in other words, you need to score well above a 1st class in module A in order to get a 2:1 overall in your degree if you manage to scrape by a 60% in your exam in module B.

If you got a 65% in your exam in module B...
Final grade for degree = 27.41666... + 0.75(A+53.125)/3
= 40.69791... + 0.75(A)/3
A = 77.20836% in order to geta 2:1 overall

If you got 70% in your exam in module B:
Final grade for degree = 27.41666... + 0.75(A+54.375)/3
= 41.010416... + 0.75(A)/3
A = 75.958336...% in order to get a 2:1

In the above scenarios, even if you try to max out your scores and get a 70% in the exam, you would still need to get something north of 75% in module A in order to get a 2:1.
In all likelihood, I would say getting a 2:2 in your degree is more likely.


But Module A I’ve been averaging 68%.
Original post by Anonymous
But Module A I’ve been averaging 68%.


68% is a good average. I'm not knocking it for being a 68%.
What I am saying though is how likely are you able to score anything above a 75% in module A overall?

68% is a good mark, but anything above a 75% for the module overall is extremely challenging especially for a nonmathematical unit.
To get from a 50% to a 60% is not the same as 60% to a 70%, and definitely not from a 70% to an 80%.

If you are 100% confident that you can somehow leap from a 68% to a 75% (or even 80%), I would wish you the best of luck in doing so (you will really need it in order to secure a 2:1 degree). The score is that you need to be one hell of a performer and need to write on a level that would even put lecturers to shame. It's possible (people have done it before), but just very difficult.

If it's a mathematical unit, then you would need to work extra hard and be very accurate to ensure that you can score anything above a 75%. I can tell you now that's going to be one **** of a jump, especially for a third year unit.
Reply 12
Original post by Anonymous
68% is a good average. I'm not knocking it for being a 68%.
What I am saying though is how likely are you able to score anything above a 75% in module A overall?

68% is a good mark, but anything above a 75% for the module overall is extremely challenging especially for a nonmathematical unit.
To get from a 50% to a 60% is not the same as 60% to a 70%, and definitely not from a 70% to an 80%.

If you are 100% confident that you can somehow leap from a 68% to a 75% (or even 80%), I would wish you the best of luck in doing so (you will really need it in order to secure a 2:1 degree). The score is that you need to be one hell of a performer and need to write on a level that would even put lecturers to shame. It's possible (people have done it before), but just very difficult.

If it's a mathematical unit, then you would need to work extra hard and be very accurate to ensure that you can score anything above a 75%. I can tell you now that's going to be one **** of a jump, especially for a third year unit.

I am confident because the two courseworks are my Dissertation worth 60% and most recently the presentation worth 15% of the module and both elements I believe I have done extremely well on to obtain a 1st or more as I done all the requirements for the Dissertation and had everything working with explanation to how I did my project.
Original post by Anonymous
I am confident because the two courseworks are my Dissertation worth 60% and most recently the presentation worth 15% of the module and both elements I believe I have done extremely well on to obtain a 1st or more as I done all the requirements for the Dissertation and had everything working with explanation to how I did my project.

Then I would take your word for it (as well as not bothering with the grade calculations for module A), and wish you the best of luck.

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