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Physics or Engineering Degree?

Hello,
I know there are loads of different questions already asked on this topic, but I have still found little help from them, so I am going to ask myself.
I find physics really interesting, I love it. I am currently doing Maths, Chemistry, and Physics(and teaching myself some basic FM alongside). I am currently predicted 3A*, but I was wondering which degree to apply for.
The only 2 reasons I'd choose engineering are because jobs are easier to get after completing your degree, many more are available, and my dad did Physics degree(up to master) and he hasn't ended up doing a job much to do with it(ended up in management, good wage and that but not physics-y more engineering-y and business-y).
But I wouldn't choose engineering based upon interests alone as physics looks far more interesting to me, I would love to end up in some sort of research position at CERN or into maybe nuclear research.
So I am just wondering what people with more experience think I should do.
Thanks for reading and for any help.
Unless you specifically want to work as an engineer, there's no particular benefit to doing engineering over physics at degree level. If you want to potentially pursue a PhD and academia in physics then physics is obviously the more relevany and better choice.
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Original post by artful_lounger
Unless you specifically want to work as an engineer, there's no particular benefit to doing engineering over physics at degree level. If you want to potentially pursue a PhD and academia in physics then physics is obviously the more relevany and better choice.

How much of an issue do you think it really is to find a job based around physics after uni(assuming you end up with master's/phd)?
Original post by big boy1
How much of an issue do you think it really is to find a job based around physics after uni(assuming you end up with master's/phd)?

Not really much of any "issue". You'd have the same chances with basically any other degree really. Physics does give you some more options by virtue of being a numerate degree, although compared to engineering it's basically all the same jobs minus ones specifically for engineering design.

Ultimately your ability to find a job as a graduate will be dependent on you and what you do to make yourself employable. I know a physics PhD who decided he didn't want to stay in academia and went on to become a data scientist at a multinational insurance company. I know another who worked for quite a few years managing his former supervisors lab because he liked doing the physics work but didn't want to do the academia/publishing side, then went into the private sector to be a data analyst (at an engineering company). I know another who went directly into the private sector into an engineering startup. I also know an MPhys grad who went on to become a software developer.

You'll have plenty of options - but you do need to actively make yourself employable by getting internships during your undergrad and if you do a PhD, need to prepare yourself for applying to the private sector if that's what you want to do. But this is true no matter what degree you do (except medicine).
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Original post by artful_lounger
Not really much of any "issue". You'd have the same chances with basically any other degree really. Physics does give you some more options by virtue of being a numerate degree, although compared to engineering it's basically all the same jobs minus ones specifically for engineering design.

Ultimately your ability to find a job as a graduate will be dependent on you and what you do to make yourself employable. I know a physics PhD who decided he didn't want to stay in academia and went on to become a data scientist at a multinational insurance company. I know another who worked for quite a few years managing his former supervisors lab because he liked doing the physics work but didn't want to do the academia/publishing side, then went into the private sector to be a data analyst (at an engineering company). I know another who went directly into the private sector into an engineering startup. I also know an MPhys grad who went on to become a software developer.

You'll have plenty of options - but you do need to actively make yourself employable by getting internships during your undergrad and if you do a PhD, need to prepare yourself for applying to the private sector if that's what you want to do. But this is true no matter what degree you do (except medicine).

That's really helpful, thankyou. I think I probably will, if I take physics, try to get a PhD so hopefully that would help. Research would be the best I think now but maybe my opinion will have changed in like 10 years time or however long it takes to complete a PhD
Original post by big boy1
That's really helpful, thankyou. I think I probably will, if I take physics, try to get a PhD so hopefully that would help. Research would be the best I think now but maybe my opinion will have changed in like 10 years time or however long it takes to complete a PhD


A PhD usually takes 3.5-4 years to complete in the UK. Sometimes a little longer for writing up. So add that to an MPhys and probably like 7.5-8 years.

Of course, the PhD itself isn't at all like an undergrad degree as you aren't going to lectures and taking exams, you're just working usually about 9-5 on a research project and associated bits of work, going to conferences and presenting there, getting papers prepared for publication etc. So it's a very different experience - more like a job than "school".
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Original post by artful_lounger
A PhD usually takes 3.5-4 years to complete in the UK. Sometimes a little longer for writing up. So add that to an MPhys and probably like 7.5-8 years.

Of course, the PhD itself isn't at all like an undergrad degree as you aren't going to lectures and taking exams, you're just working usually about 9-5 on a research project and associated bits of work, going to conferences and presenting there, getting papers prepared for publication etc. So it's a very different experience - more like a job than "school".

Yeah of course. Apart from it's a job you have to pay for lol.
Original post by big boy1
Yeah of course. Apart from it's a job you have to pay for lol.

The normal goal of PhD applications is to get a FUNDED PhD position. Self funding a PhD in STEM fields I gather carries some stigma with it if you aim you continue into academia. PhD funding is the first competitive funding source of many you would need to apply to as an academic and not securing that may well cast doubt on your ability to attract funding as an academic after you get the PhD, and make it potentially considerably harder to get a postdoc position or early career academic positions I gather.

So generally no, you wouldn't normally be paying for it if your aim is academia- you would be aiming to have it funded (probably by the EPSRC), which covers the full fees foe the PhD and a yearly tax free stipend. Granted the stipend is often fairly modest relative to costs of living but you would still be getting paid to do it, not the other way around (also it's worth keeping in mind the value of not paying tax on it - although the increases in personal allowance over the last few years have narrowed that gap).
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Original post by artful_lounger
The normal goal of PhD applications is to get a FUNDED PhD position. Self funding a PhD in STEM fields I gather carries some stigma with it if you aim you continue into academia. PhD funding is the first competitive funding source of many you would need to apply to as an academic and not securing that may well cast doubt on your ability to attract funding as an academic after you get the PhD, and make it potentially considerably harder to get a postdoc position or early career academic positions I gather.

So generally no, you wouldn't normally be paying for it if your aim is academia- you would be aiming to have it funded (probably by the EPSRC), which covers the full fees foe the PhD and a yearly tax free stipend. Granted the stipend is often fairly modest relative to costs of living but you would still be getting paid to do it, not the other way around (also it's worth keeping in mind the value of not paying tax on it - although the increases in personal allowance over the last few years have narrowed that gap).

Oh, I didn't actually know this, thank you. I knew that one normally gets grants for PhDs, but I didn't know to this extent, which is nice.
Original post by big boy1
Oh, I didn't actually know this, thank you. I knew that one normally gets grants for PhDs, but I didn't know to this extent, which is nice.

Yeah - worth noting though that funding and admission to the PhD are not always linked, and it's entirely possible to be admitted to the PhD programme but end up not being successful in securing funding (more typical outside of STEM fields where projects are usually proposed by the PhD student rather than "potted" projects set out already which you apply directly to). Generally funding is the more competitive/harder part of that equation though!

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