Israel and US relationship

With all due respect it is rather controversial to argue that Jews worldwide are abusing the Holocaust and exaggerating it to serve their own needs and to save Israel from any discrimination. It reeks of conspiracy theory.

I have to thank Axes for wonderfully illustrating the inability of some participants to debate this issue in the measured, sensible tone that I suggested would be beneficial to public discourse in post #54. It's almost as though he read what I wrote and set out to prove me right!

Abuse and exaggeration are loaded words that don't accurately portray the argument. Supporters of a special relationship may see past persecution as reasonable justification for that special relationship - that is not really abuse or exaggeration of history as much as an honest appraisal on their part of the moral consequences of history. The counter-argument is that past persecution does not morally require a special relationship or unconditional support in the present and that, indeed, the current (i.e. ~2007) nature of the special relationship damages the interests of both the US and Israel, so that, even if one disagreed with the moral assessment of whether past persecution deserves special treatment, one need not disagree with the main thesis of the position. That is hardly controversial!

Why do the Evangelicals and conservatives support Israel?

The Biblical promise to Abraham, “I will bless those that bless thee and I will curse them that curse thee,” (Genesis 12:3)

Evangelical Christians believe a divine curse will fall on them if Israel is harmed.

I wish they'd stop believing in those fairytales.

I would love if just for once we could have a debate that wasn't interspersed with posts that amount to "LOL religion" FFS we get that you're atheists, I'm not exactly religious either but please keep threads on topic and resist the urge to spout off about your particular religious affiliation or lack of it. It doesn't make you look cool and edgy, it's just annoying.

I saw another user argue that evangelical Americans ought to drop their fairytale beliefs re: Israel that's causing harm to world peace and I was merely trying to say that it's unfair to pick on evangelical Christians in the US and that the world would probably be a more peaceful place if all religious people dropped their fairy tale beliefs.

Oh, and isn't that the place where the mythical end happens? In Israel? And I wonder what happens to the Jews when homeboy JC returns again? Game's up for them, that's what!

These Christians definitely have much love for the Jews! I wish they'd stop believing in those fairytales.

It's not just that though, strategically a powerful Israel which holds western values is more aligned with American thinking than a corrupt infidel hating muslim middle east nation .

Strategically, Muslims have a RIGHT to defend themselves if they FEEL threatened.

Works both ways.

They feel threatened from their own citizens? Which explains how arabic pagan followers have declined in number and christianity a so called religion of the book has decreased from 20%to 2%. Millions of people have not received fair trials for various reasons. Thousands of people have disappeared.

The west grants basic human rights which in this day and age should be expected from everyone.