Vegetarians who eat fish are confused.

Plants lack the brain and central nervous system which enables animals to feel pain, or feel anything at all. It's got nothing to do with the fact that they don't make any noise....

Go back and read my previous posts^

Also, the whole "it has neurons it must feel" thing is a serious philosophical topic. It's certainly not been proven that having neurons = feels pain. All science tells us is having neurons = responds to stimuli.

Eggs are full of potential chicken life, they have the nutrition for a healthy chicken to grow, the majority of us aren't french, we don't have the same nutritional requirements as chickens.
your logic is nearly as bad as people feeding babies cows milk!

Of course

But adult humans eat eggs and drink cow's milk.

Well, cats and dogs are not allowed to be killed for human consumption as far as I'm aware. But here is an article on bushmeat. And I'm sure there are animals that we used to eat that we no longer do, like squirrels. So may be this shows that humans are setting themselves apart from the rest of the animal kingdom, since I do not know of any other species that changes its food chain so often.

Not immoral in itself but it can be an easy reason to justify societal actions or laws being passed in general but some people who do this tend to make exceptions when there is something they do not approve of. I was initially going to ask if you are for or against the death penalty. Last I've heard is that there is a slight majority of people against the death penalty but I have a feeling that this is only the case because our legislature abolished it for murder against the wishes of the public in 1957. Had abolition never taken place I wonder if we'd still have the death penalty, excluding transnational commitments.

Well, the British media are known for vegaphobic abuse. And the fact that they report on stories of parents bringing up children on a poorly constructed diet is not in itself an issue I find. Just it would be nice to if they applied health 'concerns' to poor omnivore diets. This usually only happens when the people concerned a very morbidly obese. I'm a vegan and cardiovascular-wise I've passed Commando standards but I don't expect the newspapers to celebrate how amazingly healthy anyone can be if they followed a well planned quality vegan lifestyle.

Sometimes cutting out fish completely from your diet is not viable.

I live in a meat-eating household. My mother already complains about me not eating meat but forces me to eat fish, and whilst I live under her roof I have to comply, sadly. Because it is against my will, I consider myself vegetarian. If it was up to me I wouldn't eat it but I have to. It's not like I enjoy eating fish either.

And I don't care what any of you crazy-ass extremist vegetarians say. I'm sick of labelling anyway.

I think the point of the thread is to show that people like you are NOT vegetarians, and by virtue of eating fish you might as well eat meat also because morally your just like the rest of us meat-eating carnivores (forced or not).

In fact, if we scaled viewpoints up on a moral scale then i'd consider you to be lower than pure vegetarians and people who eat meat for the two simple facts that;

1. You eat an animal
2. You don't stand by your convictions and tell your mum to piss off

I mean, I get the whole "mum forcing me" issue because parents can be a bitch, but I just see how you are more moral than any meat eater

Exactly, adult humans, because without the influence of society no baby would ever be stupid enough to think it should eat something that it's not designed for.

stick fruit and beef in front of a 6month old baby, see which one it goes for.
stick fruit and beef in front of a cat and see which one it goes for.

cat - carnivore - will eat the meat
human baby - frugivore - will eat the fruit.

this world is in a sorry state if babies are more capable of eating than adults...

"People like you" - wow, talking to me like I'm a criminal? Thanks for saying I have no morals! I appreciate that.

I don't think it's any of your business whether I tell my mum to "piss off" or not. You sound like a spoilt brat with no respect for anyone but yourself. If I talked to my mother like that I'd be thrown out onto the streets.

yes, people like you who eat fish and call themselves a vegetarian. You eat a fish's urinary bladder for christ sake!!!! (not to mention the heart, lungs etc)

Meh I wouldn't call you a person with no morals. I just think your highly incongrugent in your approach.... you presumably call yourself a vegetarian because you think it is morally wrong to eat animals (i'm all into this sort of thinking!!!) and yet you eat poor helpless fish.... You don't stand up for what you believe in lol

It isn't my business and I don't particularly care about you and your mum but if my mum told me that I couldn't be who I wanted to be (ie a vegetarian) and forced something on me then I would stand up for my own beliefs. Maybe your family dynamic is different so I can't really comment and certainly wouldn't want a young girl out on the streets

I have respect for a lot of people. It is mainly directed towards someone who stands by their own convictions.

Went back and read all your posts, didn't really explain anything further.

I remain sceptical that plants can feel pain without a brain, central nervous system and pain receptors. Sure, you can question the definition of pain and argue that plants responding to physical damage through the release of chemicals etc. could constitute as pain. However, plants absolutely do not feel pain in the same way that humans and animals do. It's unlikely that they feel pain at all IMO.

They're just responding to threats in order to survive, there is a difference.

I think it's a bit rich for someone to call someone else *incongruent when you don't know anything about their circumstances.

If you don't particularly care about my mother and myself then why bother arguing with me? I do not like vegetarians or vegans who try to make others feel inferior to them. And you seem to be one of them.

And with that I bid you good night.

Sometimes cutting out fish completely from your diet is not viable.

I live in a meat-eating household. My mother already complains about me not eating meat but forces me to eat fish, and whilst I live under her roof I have to comply, sadly. Because it is against my will, I consider myself vegetarian. If it was up to me I wouldn't eat it but I have to. It's not like I enjoy eating fish either.

And I don't care what any of you crazy-ass extremist vegetarians say. I'm sick of labelling anyway.

I agree with you. However, I would rather eat fish than pigs or chickens. Being reared in a battery cage is much worse than being raised in the ocean (salmon farms debatable), and chickens/pigs are much more intelligent than fish. For this reason I don't think its necessarily hypocritical for people to eat fish even though they won't eat other animals, it is perfectly possible for people to draw the line somewhere in between fish and chicken.

No they couldn't because hens are kept seperate. Trust me, when we eat eggs, they are NEVER fertilised! In some countries they do eat fertilised eggs I believe, but generally, the eggs we eat are not fertilised so could never harbour any life!