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River85
To be fair, plenty of universities are investing (and, in some cases, need to invest). Newcastle, Manchester, Durham and at least two or three others are investing anything from £100 - £300 million in these next few years.
I'm not saying Sheffield Hallam isn't "on the up" or doesn't have potential to improve (not that it's a bad instituion). But that they are spending money doesn't mean that this will translate in success. Especially if other universities are spending similar amounts (and it's not just about how much you spend but how efficiently you invest).
So Harvard are crap? What about Yale? Wharton (UPenn's business school). In terms of UK universities then LSE, Durham? All of these "advertise" or promote themselves both nationally and internationally in one way or another.
I'm not saying Sheffield Hallam isn't "on the up" or doesn't have potential to improve (not that it's a bad instituion). But that they are spending money doesn't mean that this will translate in success. Especially if other universities are spending similar amounts (and it's not just about how much you spend but how efficiently you invest).
So Harvard are crap? What about Yale? Wharton (UPenn's business school). In terms of UK universities then LSE, Durham? All of these "advertise" or promote themselves both nationally and internationally in one way or another.
You can't really compare the US to the UK because it's much more of a "marketplace"...
Cadge
The University league tables, the general criticism of polytechnics, and the young age of the institution gives it very little choice. At least it gives it a chance to show off what it can do with the technology it's funded for.
Pedantic point, but the former polytechnics didn't just come out of nowhere in 1992. Some of them are older than the redbricks, maybe even some pre-Victorian unis (Durham, UCL, KCL). They may have existed under a different name then, that's true.
Jingers
you know what I meant.
you know what I meant.Yes, you said that if you have to advertise then you're crap. I fail to see the logic there.
All universities are aware of their profile and want to increase it, they're in a competitive market and they'll target students.
Maybe DMU's profile is lacking nationally, so they too advertise on national television. Same with Teesside or Edge Hill. Durham and Harvard use youtube for promotion, giving students (domestic and international) an overview of the university. Nottingham create campuses in SE Asia and advertise.
Why is everyone getting so uptight about rankings?
End of the day, it is about what you put into your studies and what you get out of it that matters the most.
As for rankings, no point having a 3rd from a top 5 uni, you would still get trumped out by that fellow who got a 1st at uni ranked number 8
Seriously speaking all league tables are all but just a ploy, there exist hundreds of them out there and most of them are worth less than the paper it is printed on.
JMHO.
End of the day, it is about what you put into your studies and what you get out of it that matters the most.
As for rankings, no point having a 3rd from a top 5 uni, you would still get trumped out by that fellow who got a 1st at uni ranked number 8
Seriously speaking all league tables are all but just a ploy, there exist hundreds of them out there and most of them are worth less than the paper it is printed on.
JMHO.
A Stranger in Moscow
You can't really compare the US to the UK because it's much more of a "marketplace"...
I agree to an extent, but I still stand by what I've said about UK unis. It's not just the "crap" former polys who advertise.
http://www.youtube.com/user/DurhamUniversity
That's advertising in its own way.
River85
Pedantic point, but the former polytechnics didn't just come out of nowhere in 1992. Some of them are older than the redbricks, maybe even some pre-Victorian unis (Durham, UCL, KCL). They may have existed under a different name then, that's true.
Yes, you said that if you have to advertise then you're crap. I fail to see the logic there.
All universities are aware of their profile and want to increase it, they're in a competitive market and they'll target students.
Maybe DMU's profile is lacking nationally, so they too advertise on national television. Same with Teesside or Edge Hill. Durham and Harvard use youtube for promotion, giving students (domestic and international) an overview of the university. Nottingham create campuses in SE Asia and advertise.
Yes, you said that if you have to advertise then you're crap. I fail to see the logic there.
All universities are aware of their profile and want to increase it, they're in a competitive market and they'll target students.
Maybe DMU's profile is lacking nationally, so they too advertise on national television. Same with Teesside or Edge Hill. Durham and Harvard use youtube for promotion, giving students (domestic and international) an overview of the university. Nottingham create campuses in SE Asia and advertise.
I stopped caring about what I wrote immediately after I posted. You should stop caring too. Stop being a loser and trying to show your virtual webspace ability. You know what I meant so jam.
Honestly, though, I don't understand why (some of) the mods are so against university snobbery. Everybody wants to go to the best university possible; very few people would choose DMU over UCL. If I go to a top university it's because I've worked damn hard to get there; if I go to a mediocre university it's because I haven't fully committed myself and put in the effort required. Such is life.
I'm not saying the likes of DMU are bad - I don't think they are at all and it's still a great achievement - but going to UCL or Durham is far more impressive.
I'm not saying the likes of DMU are bad - I don't think they are at all and it's still a great achievement - but going to UCL or Durham is far more impressive.
Jingers
I stopped caring about what I wrote immediately after I posted. You should stop caring too. Stop being a loser and trying to show your virtual webspace ability. You know what I meant so jam.
This is General University discussion. Threads are here for discussion and I have every right to reply to a post. If you don't want to contribute constructively (and don't like others contributing) then just leave. Simple as.
Iorek
As for rankings, no point having a 3rd from a top 5 uni, you would still get trumped out by that fellow who got a 1st at uni ranked number 8
As for rankings, no point having a 3rd from a top 5 uni, you would still get trumped out by that fellow who got a 1st at uni ranked number 8
There's not that much of a difference between three or four league table positions. It's unlikely that a graduate from UCL will be chosen over a graduate from Durham just because on is fifth and the other only eigth in a league table.
But then again, Durham is top five in the Independent and UCL is seventh or eigth which is kind of the problem. There's to definitive top five/top ten/top twenty. This is me being sad and pedantic as I certainly take your point. But a more sensible way of putting it is that in, say, a Magic Circle law firm a Durham or UCL grad (with a 2:1) is unlikely to be chosen ahead of a Leeds or Manchester grad who has a first (in the unlikely event of all things being equal). Degree classification, work experience, personal qualities and, sometimes, extra-curriculars all carry great importance.
Muckamuck
Honestly, though, I don't understand why (some of) the mods are so against university snobbery.
I understand people want to go to the best university they can but that isn't snobbery in itself. I have nothing wrong with this. Often the mods (and other members, Chemsitboy being one example) are older and more experienced. Some have studied and/or taught at a range of universities (Russell Group/1994 Group and former polytechnics) and. so no better than to just dismiss degrees like David Beckham studies (which doesn't exist) or say ex-polys are all crap and their students have no hope of getting a job.
It's the ignorance and writing universities off as "crap", when they know little to nothing about the uni, that I don't like. Or trying to speak with authority when they have little experience themselves (some aren't even at university, let alone graduates).
JW92
Well according to the world league tables (the Times Higher Education ones), SOAS is the best British Arts university after Oxbridge, Edinburgh, UCL, Kings and LSE. Go SOAS!
I had no idea. Link?
I think students should look further than league tables, research assessments, and petty student satisfaction questionnaires.
If you see a university you're interested in and a department you like, have a nosey around for a staff list or staff biography page. Investigate the people that are going to be lecturing you on your chosen course, have a look at their research interests, and read through for books and journals that they've published. I think finding active specialists and field leaders is much more important than than league table results. Although this will depend somewhat on knowing where you want to go after university, look for people who are specialists in specific fields you want to work in after university. I could have applied to 'higher universities' had I so chosen however that would have resulted in being taught by lecturers who weren't field leaders in areas I wanted to study.
I find it surprising that students don't research their lecturers. If you're paying for tuition you want to be taught by people who are passionate about what you're interested in. Then again I knew what I was going to do dissertation wise before I even started my first year so knew what I was looking for.
If you see a university you're interested in and a department you like, have a nosey around for a staff list or staff biography page. Investigate the people that are going to be lecturing you on your chosen course, have a look at their research interests, and read through for books and journals that they've published. I think finding active specialists and field leaders is much more important than than league table results. Although this will depend somewhat on knowing where you want to go after university, look for people who are specialists in specific fields you want to work in after university. I could have applied to 'higher universities' had I so chosen however that would have resulted in being taught by lecturers who weren't field leaders in areas I wanted to study.
I find it surprising that students don't research their lecturers. If you're paying for tuition you want to be taught by people who are passionate about what you're interested in. Then again I knew what I was going to do dissertation wise before I even started my first year so knew what I was looking for.
Jarexi
Lmfao, so full of win.
As already mentioned, it's all about knowing your target audience (people in their late teens and 20s). There are mature students, of course, but this is the bulk of their intake.
Although I've never seen DMU advertised during Hollyoaks
I've never actually seen DMU advertised to be honest although I know they exist. Maybe it's a regional thing, I don't know, but I've only seen Teesside and Edge Hill adverts (on ITV only, which suggests that it is regional)
University of Manchester
http://www.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/facts/vision/
edit: not that UoM is a "low rank" university by any means, just I think it has a very rigorous and structured plan for the future.
http://www.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/facts/vision/
edit: not that UoM is a "low rank" university by any means, just I think it has a very rigorous and structured plan for the future.
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