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Bring back flogging for hooligans.

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Original post by Billinghaylad1976

The rioters are hooligans. They aren't going to listen to reason. Sentence them to 20 strokes of the cane. Each stinging thwack will remind them to obey the law in future.

Im sure the ECHR or whatever its called will allow the UK to pass this law.

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PendulumBoB

Original post by visa

Vlad III had the right idea, impale them on large poles and have them paraded through the streets to set an example

He was a ****ing hero.

They should cut benefits and use the money saved to increase the number of police officers; high numbers of these people are very difficult to control, so cut the benefits and starve them out. When they, eh protest(riot) crack down with ruthless ferocity.

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Reply 22

im so academic

Original post by All Black Everything

Physical violence will only encourage more resentment. Many people already resent police brutality. Flogging people in public in front of so many others will only lead to more anger.

Well they need to learn so show some respect then. Otherwise I'm all for public flogging.

Reply 23

PendulumBoB

Original post by All Black Everything

Im sure the ECHR or whatever its called will allow the UK to pass this law.

So? What will they do? File a lawsuit? Invade with their team of human-rights lawyers? Pfft, nations shouldn't bow down to these self-serving *******s.

Reply 24

All Black Everything

Original post by PendulumBoB

So? What will they do? File a lawsuit? Invade with their team of human-rights lawyers? Pfft, nations shouldn't bow down to these self-serving *******s.

No they will simply prevent the UK from passing the law.

Reply 25

Cabine Sono Qui

Original post by TheJ0ker

After leaving school all boys should be forced to enrol in the army for a year or two, like it is in some countries, this would instill some real discipline and morals.

Hardly. It'd just mean that criminals would be more skillful and dangerous.

Reply 26

Billinghaylad1976

The ECHR is ruining this country. Well if you're going to mention the ECHR how about Article 5 - Liberty and Security? The people who live and work in the affected areas have the right to liberty and security in the area without the threat of rioters ruining their homes and businnesses.
It works both ways!

Reply 27

PendulumBoB

Original post by All Black Everything

No they will simply prevent the UK from passing the law.

How?

The police enforce the law, the police take orders from the government and their local Commissioner, not these guys.

Reply 28

Retrodiction

Original post by TheJ0ker

After leaving school all boys should be forced to enrol in the army for a year or two, like it is in some countries, this would instill some real discipline and morals.

Which morals?

Reply 29

All Black Everything

Original post by PendulumBoB

How?

The police enforce the law, the police take orders from the government and their local Commissioner, not these guys.

The 1998 HRA means that the Govt has to act in accordance with the ECHR. Where in the ECHR does it say that physical punishment is allowed?

Reply 30

All Black Everything

Original post by Billinghaylad1976

Yes but that doesn't then give you the right to flog people does it

Reply 31

Billinghaylad1976

We should withdraw from the ECHR.

Reply 32

Ich Dien

Original post by im so academic

They need to be punished.

By what means? :rolleyes:

Reply 33

All Black Everything

Original post by im so academic

Well they need to learn so show some respect then. Otherwise I'm all for public flogging.

You can be all for it by it still remains very unlikely that it will ever be introduced.

Reply 34

PendulumBoB

Original post by All Black Everything

The 1998 HRA means that the Govt has to act in accordance with the ECHR. Where in the ECHR does it say that physical punishment is allowed?

You don't seem to understand; how can an organisation such as the ECHR enforce their will? Where was the ECHR, when the Bosniaks were being slaughtered by the Serbs? What did they do issue a court summons? :rolleyes:

The ECHR cannot enforce it's will.

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Reply 35

Lord Jon

Original post by im so academic

But they shouldn't be able to walk away with goods scot free. They need to be punished.

A bit of the obvious no? Crap but nevertheless the most decent post I have seen by you since I came on TSR.

Original post by im so academic

Yeah, fining from people who steal 30p bags of Tesco Value rice. :rolleyes:

Original post by im so academic

So? These riots are evidence that these bastards are out of control. Maybe physical discipline is the way forward.

You are supposidly a 14 year old girl.

What do you really know about Criminal Justice?

What do you know about Policing and Law enforcement? :colonhash:

Leave it to the wasters at COBRA and in the cabinet to sort out and at least half knowledgable people like us to discuss.

Reply 36

PendulumBoB

I would imagine you were being sarcastic.

I do think that we should tear this silly piece of legislation to pieces, it really is incredably pointless. It does not work where it is really needed(such as Serbia a few years ago), because anyone who has the lack of morals to ethnically cleanse etc, probably has the lack of morals to disobey a piece of paper before ignoring the court summons. It does two things, ones, makes money for HR lawyers and two, allows people who hate the government to file law suits(such as votes for prisoners). I highly doubt that if it were to be removed we see the Queen officially opening the UKs first gulag. :rolleyes:

Reply 37

All Black Everything

Original post by PendulumBoB

The ECHR cannot enforce it's will.

I dont think you understand how the constition works regarind Human rights law. Under the 1998 Human Rights Act that labour passed it stated that UK Human Rights Law should be in accordance with the European Convention on Human Rights. The European Convention on Human Rights does not advocate physical punishment etc. So how on Earth would the UK be able to pass a law introducing physical punishment without them coming into conflict with Euopean Court on Human Rights?

Reply 38

tibbles209

Tackling violence with violence just brings us down to their level. How can the police be taken seriously when they preach against violence but react with the same? As far as I am concerned all violence should be condemed (except in cases of self defense) and the state should NEVER have the power to use violence as a means of control.

Reply 39

qasidb

No, prison should be a very horrible place to be.
Criminals should only get bread and water (very occasionaly given other food to balance their diet and all that).
And convicted criminals should spend VERY long in prison.