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Every Single Muslim Got Away With Killing Britons On 7/7

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Original post by rawkus
you ridiculous person, you. so you are indeed saying that every American troop deserves to be held responsible for the actions of that small platoon who raped a 14 year old Iraqi girl before killing her and her family? That every white athiest deserves to be punished if I do something bad? Or does it only work for Muslims? There is a very big difference between your rather poor example and present events. The allies were at war with a collection of sovereign nations. As much as people like you would like to believe, we are not at war with Islam. Who exactly would we direct such a war against? That asian dude working in a factory to support his family who happens to be a Muslim? That bektashi dude who runs a resteraunt? that is ridiculous. in the mosques of pristina and mostar support for americans outweighs any sort of sympathy for muslim extremist groups. infact fundamentalist muslim groups were run out of the majority muslim city of prizren in kosovo. even here in england you have no sort of support for such a ridiculous claim. I think it far more likely that an average British Muslim is far more pissed off with such radical groups for painting his religion as some violent movement then he or she would in supporting it.



well i went to the regent's park mosque and heard with my own ears what the iman was saying about christians and jews. and it wasn't very nice at all.
collective guilt. it's all about the levels of support. a sovereign country declares war, it is fair to say that the people within that country are probably fairly supportive. but if a mosque has an iman making rants against christians and jews, well is the congregation really that against him?
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Original post by Redreynard
well i went to the regent's park mosque and heard with my own ears what the iman was saying about christians and jews. and it wasn't very nice at all.
collective guilt. it's all about the levels of support. a sovereign country declares war, it is fair to say that the people within that country are probably fairly supportive. but if a mosque has an iman making rants against christians and jews, well is the congregation really that against him?


you havent read or even considered what I have already said. im sorry mate but I find it difficult to believe that someone who holds such obvious dislike of muslims and who lives in oxford would then elect to walk into a mosque such a distance away. also, I think you are confusing yourself with the finsbury park mosque which prior to 2003 was a hotbed of radical islam. try harder next time.

you still havent answered me. if a small proportion of American soldiers commit crimes against a certain people, should every American troop and even citizen be held responsible as you suggest that the guilt of the crimes of a few muslims should shared by all? after all, like your rather fantasist sounding tale about regents park mosque, there are elements of American society like the adherents of the westboro baptist church in america may well voice support for such heinious treatment of the iraqi people?
Original post by rawkus
you havent read or even considered what I have already said. im sorry mate but I find it difficult to believe that someone who holds such obvious dislike of muslims and who lives in oxford would then elect to walk into a mosque such a distance away. also, I think you are confusing yourself with the finsbury park mosque which prior to 2003 was a hotbed of radical islam. try harder next time.

you still havent answered me. if a small proportion of American soldiers commit crimes against a certain people, should every American troop and even citizen be held responsible as you suggest that the guilt of the crimes of a few muslims should shared by all? after all, like your rather fantasist sounding tale about regents park mosque, there are elements of American society like the adherents of the westboro baptist church in america may well voice support for such heinious treatment of the iraqi people?


oh why so lacking in trust. yes i live in oxford, but that doesn't mean i've always lived in oxford. and my stroll to the mosque was because i was escorting a boy who wanted to go. he did the translating for me.
as for me mixing up my mosques, not so. it was definitely regent's park that i went to, near the zoo! i wouldn't go to finsbury, far too out in the suburbs for me. finsbury park was in the media for being a particularly bad example of a more general trend.
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i have answered your question regarding collective guilt. if a small number of american soldiers committed crimes against people, you ask what should happen. well it depends how small the group. also depends on how reflective their actions were of the american army in general. if you thought the group was large enough, and reflected the american army close enough, then yes you could argue that the american army could be reasonably attacked. indeed if i was an afghan, i think i'd probably be arguing in favour of attacking the american army.
Reply 83
What a bunch of nutters lol.
Original post by Redreynard
come on android i expect people to debate fairly not to nitpick. so i used the present tense when said "blown up", well 6 years in terms of world history is not so long ago. so i said a man being blown up is not happy, well if you need it spelt out, his spirit if it exists is not happy, his grieving mother is not happy. making nitpicking points isn't intelligent it is just a dishonest way of debating.
and so to my main point:-
the people who placed the bombs were muslims. they intended to kill britons. the muslims that died are what military men call "collateral damage". when pearl harbour was bombed, whether or not a few japs were killed in incident is neither here nor there, the american government was right to declare it an act of war by the japanese people on the american.


Your missing the point - yes the bombers were muslims, but they do not represent but a crazy group in the world. Yet here all the muslims in the UK whom have nothing to do with terrorist groups are told they will face retribution and are essentially at fault for the actions of a crazy group.
Original post by Redreynard
the edl leader was talking about murder. do you not think murder extreme. my goodness, bbc and guardian propaganda is making people lose their mental faculties!!


You obviously don't understand what I meant lol.
Original post by Redreynard
i don't get the logic here!

if you're a white guy blown up is it supposed to make you feel better to be told that a black guy was also blown up?

nah, the leader of the edl's point still stands, he doesn't like that his people are being blown up, whether or not others are.


Well by using that logic you're thinking like the suicide bombers.
Reply 87
"Thoughts?" Well gee, he sure speaks the truth, we should kill all muslims, Islam is terrorism, gays should be burned too. I also like eating kittens.

Come on, what the **** do you think my thoughts are? "He speaks truth"?
Original post by Ayshizzle
Well by using that logic you're thinking like the suicide bombers.


well from their point of view the suicide bombers are doing a good job, making the world more islamic.
Original post by Redreynard
well from their point of view the suicide bombers are doing a good job, making the world more islamic.


Is that what you think?
Original post by Ayshizzle
Is that what you think?



yes, since the two towers spectacular, for instance, writers can no longer criticise islam. they can take the mickey out of christianity, but they have been cowered by the terrorists. so islam now has a protected status in society, not a position that christianity is ever likely to see in saudi arabia.
one disgusting craven bit of submission from the western intelligentsia was when the danish comic was threatened with death for taking the mickey out of mohammed. some brave editors, unbelievably a muslim paper in jordan, published the comics work in support of freedom of speech. but british papers bent at the knee, the editors quite literally concerned to save their own necks.
Original post by Redreynard
yes, since the two towers spectacular, for instance, writers can no longer criticise islam. they can take the mickey out of christianity, but they have been cowered by the terrorists. so islam now has a protected status in society, not a position that christianity is ever likely to see in saudi arabia.
one disgusting craven bit of submission from the western intelligentsia was when the danish comic was threatened with death for taking the mickey out of mohammed. some brave editors, unbelievably a muslim paper in jordan, published the comics work in support of freedom of speech. but british papers bent at the knee, the editors quite literally concerned to save their own necks.


You have completely understood my original point. You said:

i don't get the logic here!

if you're a white guy blown up is it supposed to make you feel better to be told that a black guy was also blown up?

nah, the leader of the edl's point still stands, he doesn't like that his people are being blown up, whether or not others are.


This is how the terrorists feel. They see their own being killed and blown up in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that's what has driven them to doing these disgusting things. They don't care that our own British troops also get hurt in the process, they're only bothered about their own.

So, if the EDL bloke (and you it would seem) feel the same way then really you should be sympathising with the terrorists; you have the same mindset.
Original post by Macnoob
you brits really do not like Muslims or Americans lol its embarrassing, why do you think so highly of your selves i see no reason to be particularly proud.
Hit a nerve with this one didnt I :smile:


Do you have any logical or evidential justification for labelling all brits as anti-muslim and anti-american? To suggest that some britons embody those prejudices would have been correct, but to generalise them all is to make an absolutely unsupportable assertion.
Sure, let's group everyone and let's forget the atrocities the west is causing in the Middle East.
the EDL are maintaining their ignorance and obvious racism. And that guy is such a moron its unbelievable.
Original post by deathbeforeimmortality

Original post by deathbeforeimmortality
Sure, let's group everyone and let's forget the atrocities the west is causing in the Middle East.


You're not really American surely? A Brit living in the US I bet.
Original post by CombineHarvester
You're not really American surely? A Brit living in the US I bet.


Or perhaps a "liberal" Sorry. A God Damn commie... :biggrin:
Reply 97
These ****ers provoke more terrorism to occur.
Reply 98
Original post by Retrodiction
Do you have any logical or evidential justification for labelling all brits as anti-muslim and anti-american? To suggest that some britons embody those prejudices would have been correct, but to generalise them all is to make an absolutely unsupportable assertion.


Jesus ****!!! what more evidence do i need every second thread on this site is provoking muslims and americans...i no its a generalization but you must admit there is a MASSIVE amount of threads made on those topics. Some one who hasn't met many british people could easily make the same conclusion as i did.
Reply 99
Original post by Jono404
No, this isn't racism and isn't at all comparable to what the blacks went through. You choose your religion, you do not choose your race.


Racism hasn't got anything to do with choosing a race, religion or culture. If you're born into either and you get discriminated or persecuted for it alone its racism. Pure and simple.

And Muslims are a race by several definitions of the word.

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