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Thinking of choosing Nottingham over Cambridge - am I crazy?

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Reply 60
Original post by Ghost6
Sorry but this is plain wrong. We all know that Fortune 500 companies use a list of target schools and if you are not a student/graduate of one of those you don't even make the first cut. Also, people attending top PhD programs typically have masters from prestigious schools and/or stellar undergrad backgrounds from equally prestigious schools. It is not always the case as connections/recommendations and such play a large role too but if you look at the CVs of current PhD students at the world top 10 universities you will often see masters from Oxbridge, LSE, UCL or other foreign unis that have reputed masters programs with strong placement records.


As I clarified in my second post, I was speaking about within academic circles because that is my own area of interest, rather than how they are judged by the public or businesses. Looking for a job in the former, it is very much about who you studied under, that your department suited your specialisation and demonstrating that your past research is related to what you propose to study next. Maybe what you suggest is indeed how the Fortune 500 works.
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OP - if you're going to notts because of the partying...I think very careful about making that a part of your reasoning. Masters' are a massive step up from undergrad in terms of workload, and chances are you won't have a huge amount of time for going out. Certainly nottingham does have a much wider variety of clubs than cambridge, but you can still have a good time living in cambridge.

decide first which course you like best. if there is nothing in it, think very carefully about what you want to do afterwards, and what the degree will say about you. but, having lived in both cities, i'd love to move back to cambridge. it was a serious wrench for me to make the decision to come to nottingham over staying at cambridge - but for me it was a case of supervisors, and just being in the department which was best for me. from a personal life position, it's a terrible decision for various reasons, but cambridge is a lovely place to live. not so much clubbing going on and it can be a bit quiet, but good pubs, nice quality of life, pretty city, decent housing stock, though slightly over-priced (especially compared to notts).

It's only for a year....
Reply 62
Original post by Craig_D
As I clarified in my second post, I was speaking about within academic circles because that is my own area of interest, rather than how they are judged by the public or businesses. Looking for a job in the former, it is very much about who you studied under, that your department suited your specialisation and demonstrating that your past research is related to what you propose to study next. Maybe what you suggest is indeed how the Fortune 500 works.


Thank you for clarifying. Indeed for PhD graduates, the advisor is hugely important as he essentially finds a job for his graduating students. So in principle a famous supervisor at an unknown university can work for the student, but let's face it, it is often the case that the best universities as ranked by league tables are the ones that have the top academics as well. Overall I don't think you can go wrong by attending a top school: it is likely that your department will be one of the best in the country too and that you will find someone whose research interests overlap with yours provided it is large enough. Finally, a brand name school provides more of a safety net in case you wanted to leave academia.
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Reply 63
If this was an undergrad degree then I'd say go for it (although I think it would be the wrong decision and you'd regret it), but if its a one year Masters then I think youre crazy. Youve had your 3-4 years of partying already, now its time to spend a year making sure that you the rest of your life is as good as possible.

If you had a good reason to prefer Nottingham (eg it was stronger for your subject, or there was a particular researcher there that wanted to do a PhD with afterwards, or you had a long term relationship that you didnt want to break up, or you didnt think youd be able to pass the course, etc) then that would be fine, but your reasons are pretty juvenile - youre only talking about a single year, and its not like you arent going to make friends at Cambridge.
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Reply 64
Original post by Craig_D
Speaking as a fellow master's applicant, postgrads aren't about ranking tables, university reputations, nice architecture, or famous people who once studied there. All master's are equally respected on a CV, whether from Oxford or Oxford Brooks

This isnt really true - if you want to do a PhD afterwards then yes, the supervisor is one of the most important things, but for any industry job the university brand name is a big factor. Also going to a higher ranked [in your field] university gives you a better chance of working with a big name - unlike a PhD, you dont apply to work with a particular person before you start your Masters so there is a bit of luck when it comes to who you get.

Remember that a Masters is also about the taught courses though; someone who passed a Masters from Cambridge is likely to be a stronger candidate for a PhD than someone who passed a Masters from a lower ranked university, since they are likely to have done a more challenging degree.
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Reply 65
Original post by poohat
This just isnt true - if you want to do a PhD afterwards then yes, the supervisor is one of the most important things, but for any industry job the university brand name is important. Also going to a higher ranked university gives you a better chance of working with a big name in the field (unlike a PhD, you dont apply to work with a particular person for your Masters so there is a bit of luck when it comes to who you get).

Remember that a Masters is also about the taught courses though; someone who passed a Masters from Cambridge is likely to be a stronger candidate than someone who passed a Masters from a 'less difficult' university, all other things being equal.


See my two later clarifications, I was talking about PhD applications and within academic circles. I'm beginning to think that I should delete that sentence.
Reply 66
Original post by Ghost6
Thank you for clarifying. Indeed for PhD graduates, the advisor is hugely important as he essentially finds a job for his graduating students. So in principle a famous supervisor at an unknown university can work for the student, but let's face it, it is often the case that the best universities as ranked by league tables are the ones that have the top academics as well.
This is true in some average sense but it needs to be qualified heavily - academic jobs arent necessarily like undergrad where the best people tend to end up at the best universities. There are so many factors when it comes to getting academic jobs (timing, specifics of the offer, location preferences, spouse, luck, etc) and the result is that you can get good people ending up everywhere (within reason)

Also there are far more good people than there are academic jobs at top departments (remember that a typical department has only 10-20 members in most fields), so in some sense there just arent enough good universities to contain everyone.
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Reply 67
What a moron, you're a postgrad your partying days are and should be long over
Reply 68
Original post by DavidWright
I've applied to Cambridge and Nottingham to study for a Masters. I've visted them both and prefer Nottingham because it was less formal and seemed I'd have more fun there than at Cambridge. I've got mates at Nottingham and spent a few weekends there and I've had a great time like the fact it is a prestigious university but at the same time it's relative informal and the students know how to party and have a good time. However, part of me thinks I'd be made to turn down an offer from Cambridge due to its prestige - a Masters from Cambridge would look good on my C.V.

What do you think? Would i be crazy to turn down an offer from Cambridge for a place at Nottingham?


Go to Nottingham if that's where you really want to go. Cambridge is hard work, and so more likely that you wouldn't be able to do well if your heart wasn't fully into it.

Plus you could always do another degree afterward at Cambridge :smile:
Original post by saachi
Go to Nottingham if that's where you really want to go. Cambridge is hard work, and so more likely that you wouldn't be able to do well if your heart wasn't fully into it.


At the Masters level I'm much less sure that this is true.

I'm not certain what Cambridge is upto with its MPhil programmes but they increasingly seem to be admitting several times as many students as could possibly be accommodated for further research, with a significant (and presumably passing) proportion of these from China and the Middle East. The course specifications seldom look very terribly exacting: they're almost all of them only 9 months, and even this seems to be two 8 week terms of teaching, during which you might write 2 x 3000 word assessed essays per term, with the Easter term given over to guided supervision of a dissertation often shorter than is required for Masters degrees elsewhere.

I dunno, it seems to be a moneyspinner financially supporting the provision made for those below and above (Bachelors students and Doctoral candidates). Where Japanese used to be content with visting Cambridge and buying a T-shirt, Chinese seem to want to stay for a bit and get a certificate. And at 15 grand a time the university seems ready to accommodate that want.
Reply 70
Original post by cambio wechsel
At the Masters level I'm much less sure that this is true.

I'm not certain what Cambridge is upto with its MPhil programmes but they increasingly seem to be admitting several times as many students as could possibly be accommodated for further research, with a significant (and presumably passing) proportion of these from China and the Middle East. The course specifications seldom look very terribly exacting: they're almost all of them only 9 months, and even this seems to be two 8 week terms of teaching, during which you might write 2 x 3000 word assessed essays per term, with the Easter term given over to guided supervision of a dissertation often shorter than is required for Masters degrees elsewhere.

I dunno, it seems to be a moneyspinner financially supporting the provision made for those below and above (Bachelors students and Doctoral candidates). Where Japanese used to be content with visting Cambridge and buying a T-shirt, Chinese seem to want to stay for a bit and get a certificate. And at 15 grand a time the university seems ready to accommodate that want.


Really? Thought it would be difficult because I met someone who did his MA in Cambridge and said he was working ALL the time. But I suppose if you're right, then it's a another reason not to pick Cambridge over Notts. The idea of being a 'moneyspinner' for the other students at the university just isn't appealing.

I honestly think people should go wherever they want to. It's a difficult choice when friends and relatives all push you toward what seems to be the most obvious decision. I recently firmed Edinburgh over Durham for English lit (undergrad) and most people were SHOCKED. I mean, it's not such a big deal, ultimately it's important to go where you think you'll be happiest.
Reply 71
Original post by saachi
Really? Thought it would be difficult because I met someone who did his MA in Cambridge and said he was working ALL the time. But I suppose if you're right, then it's a another reason not to pick Cambridge over Notts. The idea of being a 'moneyspinner' for the other students at the university just isn't appealing.

I honestly think people should go wherever they want to. It's a difficult choice when friends and relatives all push you toward what seems to be the most obvious decision. I recently firmed Edinburgh over Durham for English lit (undergrad) and most people were SHOCKED. I mean, it's not such a big deal, ultimately it's important to go where you think you'll be happiest.


Why were people shocked when you firmed Edinburgh over Durham? I always thought they were equal in terms of prestige and general reputation!!:confused:
Reply 72
Original post by cambio wechsel
At the Masters level I'm much less sure that this is true.

I'm not certain what Cambridge is upto with its MPhil programmes but they increasingly seem to be admitting several times as many students as could possibly be accommodated for further research, with a significant (and presumably passing) proportion of these from China and the Middle East. The course specifications seldom look very terribly exacting: they're almost all of them only 9 months, and even this seems to be two 8 week terms of teaching, during which you might write 2 x 3000 word assessed essays per term, with the Easter term given over to guided supervision of a dissertation often shorter than is required for Masters degrees elsewhere.

I dunno, it seems to be a moneyspinner financially supporting the provision made for those below and above (Bachelors students and Doctoral candidates). Where Japanese used to be content with visting Cambridge and buying a T-shirt, Chinese seem to want to stay for a bit and get a certificate. And at 15 grand a time the university seems ready to accommodate that want.


First of all not all MPhil programs are intended to prepare for further research, and even when they do, as it is essentially a taught degree not all students enrolled in MPhil degrees intend to go on to a PhD. Next, all graduate programs need to grand admission to several times the number of students that they are willing to take in, because terminal master's degrees are usually unfunded, at Cambridge or elsewhere in the world. Finally, it doesn't come as a surprise that many applicants and students are Chinese or Indian, considering that one third of the world's population are Chinese and Indian.
Reply 73
You're not crazy, but you'll probably regret it (though possibly not). What's the masters in?
Reply 74
You won't regret it. The difference at postgrad level is vastly, vastly overstated.
Reply 75
Original post by py0alb
You won't regret it. The difference at postgrad level is vastly, vastly overstated.


Academically there won't probably be that much of a difference but as discussed for almost 4 pages now, the difference is in the perception by outsiders.
How come you want to know if this isn't real? Just want to see the raging arguments that ensue :tongue:?
Reply 77
Original post by Ghost6
Academically there won't probably be that much of a difference but as discussed for almost 4 pages now, the difference is in the perception by outsiders.


Not really. Only idiots think there is a big difference, and I wouldn't really be that bothered about impressing idiots.
My Dad did his degree at Cambridge. 30 odd years later he says he's still unsure if it was the right decision for him, and if he was going back to sixth form and remaking the decision he thinks he'd choose otherwise. Not saying that's how most people feel having gone to Cambridge, just make sure it's what you want to do. If you'd be going there purely for prestige then maybe it wouldn't be the right decision. Go with your gut feelings, and that seems to be Notts! :smile:
Reply 79
Original post by Alexandra's Box
How come you want to know if this isn't real? Just want to see the raging arguments that ensue :tongue:?

Because advising someone on a fictional scenario is a waste of time, since they can't act on the advice anyway. Also, you can't expect honest advice that, to the posters' best knowledge at least, is accurate, and be dishonest regarding the situation you're requesting advice about, can you?:confused:

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