Circumcision ban is the 'worst attack on Jews since Holocaust'

i never said ' problem with being alive' i said 'problem with having been born' they will have been born even if they commit suicide though.

Lasting too long isn't as bad a problem as not lasting, surely?

Yes but if they're dead, the fact that they were born will no longer have any effect on their life. Because they won't have a life.

Come on, surely you realise this is a stupid argument.

A child has no say in whether he/she wants a vaccination should we stop them too because the child cannot give consent?

But it is difficult step to commit suicide eg it might go wrong and you might survive but severe disabilities etc or shoved in a mental institution

The human body is remarkably fragile... The only way it could possibly go wrong is if you couldn't bare killing yourself - in which case, you really shouldn't be doing it in the first place!

There are people who wish to have have never existed, and to suggest torturing themselving during the process of planning and executing a suicide is inhumane, much more inhumane than circumcision.

A child has no say in whether he/she wants a vaccination should we stop them too because the child cannot give consent?

Though many others have replied - I don't think they've hammered the point home. Childhood vaccinations have saved the lives of millions of children. If you are so keen to compare the procedures, I'd challenge you to find me one case of childhood circumcision ever saving a life...

For starters - your argument is beyond moronic. Creation of new life is essential to survival of the human species - it is not in any way, shape or form comparable to circumcision...

Secondly, how on earth is it torture? If they want to die, the thought of planning and executing themselves should surely be at worst neutral?

To me - this whole debate reeks of parents seeing the baby as their property, and not an independent human
entity.

Children have the right to a varied diet. German nutritionists insist that Jewish children must be allowed to eat pork and prawns; when they reach the age of 18 they can choose whether to reject them.

Because it's often done at such a young age without the consent of the person?

How can you mutilate a child without it's opinion for a belief ?

Childhood circumcision improves hygiene as it is difficult to wash under the foreskin until around puberty when the forskin loosens. Improved hygeine naturally saves lives.



Firstly the child may never want to be born so if you follow the same concept, conceiving is wrong as the child may grow up not wanting to have existed (same as a child may grow up never to have been circumcised)

Secondly so what if human life ceases, whats your point?

Thirdly and lastly, parents are trusted to make the best decision for their child, if parents want to make a decision to circumcise their child which helps to improve hygeine then they should be allowed, you have no right to interfere in such a decision.

Circumcision if done properly does not make anyone disabled in any way, the penis can still be used to urinate and have sex with.

Childhood circumcision improves hygiene as it is difficult to wash under the foreskin until around puberty when the forskin loosens. Improved hygeine naturally saves lives

Thirdly and lastly, parents are trusted to make the best decision for their child, if parents want to make a decision to circumcise their child which helps to improve hygeine then they should be allowed, you have no right to interfere in such a decision.

Circumcision if done properly does not make anyone disabled in any way, the penis can still be used to urinate and have sex with.

How can you abort a child without its opinion for a whim?

Childhood circumcision improves hygiene as it is difficult to wash under the foreskin until around puberty when the forskin loosens. Improved hygeine naturally saves lives.

Firstly the child may never want to be born so if you follow the same concept, conceiving is wrong as the child may grow up not wanting to have existed (same as a child may grow up never to have been circumcised)

Secondly so what if human life ceases, whats your point?

Thirdly and lastly, parents are trusted to make the best decision for their child, if parents want to make a decision to circumcise their child which helps to improve hygeine then they should be allowed, you have no right to interfere in such a decision.

Circumcision if done properly does not make anyone disabled in any way, the penis can still be used to urinate and have sex with.

Loving that all-in-bold effect.

Improved hygeine is a silly matter. You can't really use that as a valid reason. I admit there is evidence to suggest that it prevents certain infections, but then should we remove the appendix just after birth in case someone gets appendicitis later in life?

As for the whole suicide argument, well here's how I think about it:
You don't want to live, you kill yourself.
You want to cut your penis up, you can have that done.
You want to have your penis un-cut up, well that's a harder thing to solve.

For your third point I call shenanigans (being unable to call BS due to word filter). What about the Jehova's witnesses who believe that stuff like blood transfusion is wrong? Doctors can override their decisions if it is in the best interests of the child. Also, what about the people who beat their children? They might think it's for their own good, but the children will still be taken into care if it's found out.