Lawyer guns down his sister in Pakistani court in new low for Honour Killings

You analagy falls down for both on the basis that where they were invented, the USA, has been the largest storngest economy in history, and the worlds most populous country China, is the next strongest.
I was aksing in terms of healthy morality - if you thinking killing women for not confirming to (in this case) islamic conditions, is healthier, then you are seriously screwed up morally .

the 1st Charter of the UN (to whcih we signed up) is the protection of owmens rights and freedom from dscrimination and persecution. So it is very much our business, and indeed we and the UN press that message in various countries, particualarly when it potentially affects 100 million women in paksitan for example.

Hmm. Something being moral doesnt equate to it being healthy. Moral is an idea of right and wrong to which you try to add weight by claiming it to be healthier.

China isnt the second strongest country. Its the second biggest economy but they lack technology and struggle to even get an aircraft carrier together. What do you think about the one child policy? Not exactly in line with western ethics but healthier for society pretty much undeniably.

Saying something cant have detrimental effect on one society because id didnt on another fails to take into account how very different they are ..

And any woman that listens gets shot. Not our fault at all tho..

Obviously writing something down on a bit of paper at the un gives them the right to do it. They should at least start with the easy stuff 1st and go stop cannibal tribes making women push bits of horn though their noses.

you were replying to my question, which was which was morally healthier, allowing women to wear what they want, or killing them becuase they dont comform - your answer was srewed up, regardless of adding weight.

again, i said china will be the NEXT biggest economy following usa. that too being the worlds most populous country. So pakistan being overpopulated' isnt relevant. kills your argument dead in the water.

You said healthier for society. ?

So? If the main perpetrators are Muslim, then it is an Islamic problem.

Using the argument that you did is just a cop-out to avoid being branded a "racist".

And some people, I call them white european liberal-nihilist suicidists, say that no culture is superior to another, and criticising a culture, or suggesting the western european culture is superior in specific areas, let alone generally, is ... racist.

1. critizing culture is not racist at all nor is thinking your culture is superior

2. you think those pakistani muslims dont think their culture is superior? You can bet they do, thats why there always whinging how immoral our culture, women and way of life is and how their fantastic god sent ways can sort out all our problems

3. bet you dont think thats racist do you? Am I not allowed to say that I think a

Haha, I wasn't taking the piss, I am saying I hate people that say no culture is superior to another, and to suggest so is racist. I think you have read the opposite of what I was saying

1. I know

2. Yes, they do think theirs is superior, and I think mine is superior to theirs, and their are development indicators to prove so.

What I'm saying is that due to aforementioned characteristics clearly applying to 'Indo-Chinese...' It is therefore understandable why he would 1) doctor the original quote 2) post an inflammatory article to provoke such a reaction.


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This is a cultural problem exacerbated and reinforced by religious teaching in Islam.

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Your proof is...?

I'll await for a line from the Quran that justifies or exacerbates the murdering of ones own children under the guise of 'honour'. Seeing as I've read the entire thing, you'll really have me stumped if you do.

This is getting depressing, hearing all of this stuff about honour killings during Ramandan.

Also people who say religion really need to stop, it's entirely culture and penetrates Pakistan muslims as well as Indian hindus (and perhaps Sikhs, I'm not sure). Both share common culture behaviors and attitudes.

So? If the main perpetrators are Muslim, then it is an Islamic problem.

Using the argument that you did is just a cop-out to avoid being branded a "racist".